1936 Series 75 Imperial Touring Sedan with V12 ?

[Mike Baillargeon #15848]

Somebody had a V12 hanging around and put it in this Series 75 car....still the auction estimate of $40K to $60K looks low.....nice car !

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/135744966_1936-cadillac-v12-fleetwood-limousine

Mike

[gcdpetaluma]

Think this car has a 1936 v12? Thanks

[Willbarq]

V12 not available is this body style? Looks legit

[Mike Baillargeon #15848]

It's a nice car but, the series 75 cars, like this one were built with a V8....

The series 80s and the series 85s were built with the V12s....the series 85 car would have the same wheelbase as the series 75 at 138"....the series 80 has a 131" wheelbase...

Mike

[KenZ]

As Mike states this is a production 1936 series 75 car as the data plate picture displays 36-7533.  The V-12 version would have shown 36-8533.  Based on my research everything was the same with series 75 and 85 models except the engine (V8 vs v12) and hood emblems. A nice car regardless and the V-12 probably makes it even more desireable to most people. Wish I had a V-12 hanging around.........  KenZ       

[gcdpetaluma]

Ken, Can you determine if the V12 is a 1936 build? I been told sourcing '36 engine parts is difficult. Where is the block date code on a V12? Do the air cleaners look correct? Thanks for your comments.

[KenZ]

The only info I can provide is the 1936 V12 engine serial numbers (4110001 - 4110901) referenced from the CLC Membership Directory.  Some of the engine parts for the V-8 engine are also difficult to find, since it was kind of a one year only engine. Perhaps you can try to contact a club member who actually owns a V12 car for any info. 
Good Luck,  KenZ     

After further thought some discussion awhile back in this link.  The data plates might not alway reflect the correct manufacture series for these cars  https://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=165758.msg501480#msg501480

[harry s]

I've seen '37 V-12s with the 75 Series body designation on the cowl tag but wasn't sure about '36 but apparently that was the case for '36 also. As far as engine parts the V-12 was a continuation of that engine since 1931 and the '36 V-8 was a one year only transition engine. That's not to say V-12 parts are readily available or more reasonably priced.     Harry

[gcdpetaluma]

Thank you to Ken & Harry - appreciate your input!

[Bob Hoffmann CLC#96]

Can someone get the frame # for this car??
 Bob

[Jon Riley #13576]

I have seen many 80/85 series cars with 70/75 tags.  I don't believe the factory was that precise. I would be willing to bet that car came with a v12 from the factory.   
$40-60 seems high. 
Last one I saw sold for $25k in 2019. 

[gcdpetaluma]

I've been following this post - wanted to check with you Cadillac experts, do you think the V12 is factory or a restoration upgrade? Do you have a data base to track VIN and build details for pre-war cars? Thank you, Gregg

[Classic]

In the 2022 CLC Directory in a footnote on page 89, it states that "1936 and 1937 V-12 body plates have 70__ and 75__ numbers rather than the V-12 Series 80__ and 85__ numbers [as used in the factory build sheets]. For directory use, please use the 80__ or 85__ description."

This matches my 2 1937 V-12's.

Gene

[gcdpetaluma]

Thank you Gene...great clarification!

[Jon Riley #13576]

The only way to be 100 percent sure would be to get the factory record:


http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/?page=1#

[Mike Baillargeon #15848]

SOLD $35,000....alot of car for small money....

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/135744966_1936-cadillac-v12-fleetwood-limousine

Mike