Another Body shop story

[chrisntam]

Austin Healey Sprite. 

Nash Metropolitan convertible.

[cadillacmike68]

Thanks. I heard good things about space coast before. Glad they are well regarded.

Nash -one of those can fit in our glove boxes. 

[Rockfish39]

Ken, What would make your shop blasphemous? ...

Hi Mike, I'm the person that made that statement. There are SOME people in the club that believe that ANY deviation from all original stock is like some form of blasphemy. Like in: The Cadillac motor car has to be completely in "as delivered condition" down to the factory original head markings on all fasteners, ect. Therefore, pack your bags and go to the modified chapter, and so on...

I've seen these same personalities many times with the 'Vette kooks and the 409 Chevy kooks.

The Kid Darrin shop build cars of all kinds. Not just stockers. Namely  hot rods, street rods and whatever lies in between. It's a business, like others of it's kind. He's in it to make a living not to make some sort of temple that  exclusively caters to the all original stock guys...          That's why I said what I did.
I personally have no problem with it, and never will because I think that the greater infraction is to stifle the ability, the creativity, the talent and the artistry of doing your own thing.
I'm not a musician, but a good quote from Bob Seger comes to mind when talking about this. "If youre ever going to make it in this business, you'll never do it playing other peoples songs"
Rock 

[Jeff Wilk]

Lou......that was sooooooo very well said! Thanks for putting it so simply. 

Jeff

[cadillac ken]

Ken, What would make your shop blasphemous?

I red your writings whenever I can get a copy of Cruise News, usually when I go to Old Town, which is not as often as before. 

Perhaps you can recommend a good local chrome shop? I'm NE of Tampa, but can get all the way over to the gold coast if necessary.

Funny, I'm taking some chrome to Space Coast Plating today.  As others have said, I use them a lot with very good results.  The pieces I'm taking them today are hand made and I trust them to not farkle them up.  They are irreplaceable considering the hours I spent making them.

I'd recommend giving them a visit.

Regards, Ken

[cadillac ken]

Hi Mike, I'm the person that made that statement. There are SOME people in the club that believe that ANY deviation from all original stock is like some form of blasphemy. Like in: The Cadillac motor car has to be completely in "as delivered condition" down to the factory original head markings on all fasteners, ect. Therefore, pack your bags and go to the modified chapter, and so on...

I've seen these same personalities many times with the 'Vette kooks and the 409 Chevy kooks.

The Kid Darrin shop build cars of all kinds. Not just stockers. Namely  hot rods, street rods and whatever lies in between. It's a business, like others of it's kind. He's in it to make a living not to make some sort of temple that  exclusively caters to the all original stock guys...          That's why I said what I did.
I personally have no problem with it, and never will because I think that the greater infraction is to stifle the ability, the creativity, the talent and the artistry of doing your own thing.
I'm not a musician, but a good quote from Bob Seger comes to mind when talking about this. "If youre ever going to make it in this business, you'll never do it playing other peoples songs"
Rock 

And to be sure we do AACA restorations too.  We have a 1960 T-Bird that is owned by a client that has photographed every bolt and cataloged where it is used, the length, and thread-- whether it is seen or not.  And still he admires the custom work immensely.
His words: "Restoration is easy.  You take it apart fix it, repaint it, or replace it but it all goes back together exactly as the factory did it.  But the custom work you do on these old 30's and 40's cars, the making of parts, the making them all fit and work together with A/C, new engines, power accessories, now that's way more difficult and very admirable."

[Cape Cod Fleetwood]

For comparison to the OP, - THIS is a car that needs a $15K paint job this winter.
The $7K roof restoration was done last winter.
Budget accordingly.

\m/
Laurie

[Dan LeBlanc]

Not to rub salt in your wounds, Jon, but this is for sale on Facebook for $22,500.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1381636982152385/permalink/2353509701631770/

[60eldo]

     Wheres the nuce,,I wish I could spell,,I dont bee leeve it

[Big Fins]

Turn on your spell checker. It's a built in app on your browser. I think the forum software uses one also.

[Dan LeBlanc]

No need for a noose, just patience. The right car always comes along at the right price, you just have to sometimes wait.

[Scot Minesinger]

That pink with white 1960 Seville is too good to be true, even for a coupe.  Something is not right.  Or it already sold in about 15 minutes.  That could be bought and resold for a handsome profit if it was real.

[rwchatham CLC 21892]

It has the wrong hubcaps the interior is wrong so it’s priced right at 22k . Buy it for 20 and it’s a good buy to put back right . Would have made a way better starting point than the eBay car for 12 . You have to remember even finished a 60 Seville is only going to bring 45 k or so , so this car is priced right at 20k put another 25k  in it and have a nice driving car . 60 Seville’s just don’t bring big money when you can get 60 Biarritz s all day long under 100 k.

[Big Fins]

The worst part is, Ray...You have just a '60. 

[60eldo]

   Im with Scott I dont believe that price. You ever look at Trivot, a BS site look at their prices. Anyway mine is nicer. LOL

[Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621]

High grade low mileage all original '60 ELS recently hammered at RM/Auburn for $45K (+ 10%) so all in at under $50K which wouldn't begin to touch the cost of a full blown resto therefore the wisdom of restoring one of these cars becomes a questionable proposition. And of course no restoration will ever be the same, nor have the same appreciation potential as a highly preserved original with solid credentials/provenance.

As has been pointed out, the cost of restoring a convertible is the same (or even less) as a hardtop (all things equal), the decision of whether to restore this year and model is something that should be pondered carefully. Maybe a '59 ELS the argument can be made but to justify a '60 involves some serious soul-searching. 

While the '60 that Dan posted would probably have been a better bet, there are no interior photos and interior work is the most tedious and where things really start getting expensive - particularly when OEM spec & quality is insisted upon. Speaking for myself, I generally shy away from anything where the interior is less than presentable as-is.

[60eldo]

  Hey guys Im still looking for a coupe shell no rust,,,,anyone got one? If I cant find one then I think Im gonna just patch this thing up and make it a #7-8 driver.   905-706-2747 Jon

[rwchatham CLC 21892]

There are pictures of the interior on Facebook , wrong pattern and looks like it was done in vinyl so the car is priced right at 22 k . Not sure why everyone thinks this is a giveaway price by time you spend 15-20k on the interior 2 k for caps anther 5 k for miscellaneous you’ll have a nice driver that’s worth 40 k or so .  Beautiful cars but 60s have never brought big money and never will compared to what 59s bring , I don’t care how much someone likes them it’s just the fact of the matter . A 60 Cadillac has a following in the Cadillac community but in the general car collecting community it doesn’t carry much weight , there are not a lot of big collections that are lusting after a 60 Seville. I built what was probably one of the nicest 60 Eldos ever done and had to beg to sell it at 125k  . Take a nice 60 to auction and a couple of the caddy guys will be excited over it but the general population will just watch it go by . These cars will always be the little brother to the 59 money wise and collectibility wise .  That’s why from an investment standpoint building a 60 is suicide , ask me how I know ! Been there done that !

[Big Fins]

Plus it will have a 'Collectability Level' of D-.   

[rwchatham CLC 21892]

Plus it will have a 'Collectability Level' of D-.   

Unless you use chucks rating system and then it’s an unbelievable quadruple A plus rating because then it’s no longer a Seville it’s an amazing 6437  or whatever the heck style number the book calls it lmao