Good evening,
Somebody has original pricelist with options price from 56? I checked my manuals, but it doesn't contains those datas.
Got one somewhere for the '56 model year and perhaps 1957. Not sure where. Will have a look. Clay/Lexi
Thank you!
Mine car has many options, but can not find pricelist with options price
Renato,
Is this what you are looking for?
Have not been able to locate mine yet, but what I am looking for is what Jose posted. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: J. Gomez on April 07, 2023, 10:05:45 AMRenato,
Is this what you are looking for?
No, this is an accessories price list for dealers, but also cool. Thank you!
Back to the search. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: Renato on March 24, 2023, 02:47:53 PMGood evening,
Somebody has original pricelist with options price from 56? I checked my manuals, but it doesn't contains those datas.
I finally located it. It is a fold out brochure (like an accordian), titled "Cadillac Accessories". In my opinion it should have been sub-titled "For Dealership installation". This accessories list contains no factory options such as AC or Power Assist Trunk, for example. Also those "give away", (some were sold as well I am told), AMT licensed plastic car models are nowhere to be found. Guess that was an individual dealer choice as not really an "accessory" to a Cadillac car. Everything in this brochure are easy add ons for the dealership to install. There are also NO prices quoted.
The only options lists with pricing that I am familiar with is the one Jose Gomez posted, as well as what was published in the 1956 MPL. So, what I am familiar with are: 1) Jose's list which I believe is period 2) The dealer's brochure as I described above. It would appear to be an extremely rare item. If there is a full brochure with factory options I would love to see it. 3) The use of the Saleman's 1956 Cadillac Data Book. The Data Book lists items that are also found in the Dealer brochure, but missing other items. No prices are quoted there either. I believe some of the complimentary brochures advertising the new Cadillacs may also have noted the odd accessory, but would have to check all to be sure. 4) The 1956 Cadillac Master Parts List (MPL) does have an accessories section with prices. I did not check to see if everything is there, but at least it did garner its own Group number in this voluminous list. Some of the Cadillac Servicman issues contain references to some of the options as well. There is the odd reference to options in the Owner's manual, but no accessories list or pricing noted.
Sorry my search did not yield better results Renato, as the answer appears to be scattered over at least 4 sources, if not more. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: J. Gomez on April 07, 2023, 10:05:45 AMRenato,
Is this what you are looking for?
This price list is likely different than that list from the manufacturer as these are dealer packages to add after production?
Apologies this was addressed above as well
The 1956 MPL should have the most complete options list with pricing. That should be complete. I should check the prices quoted there and compare them to what is in Jose's list. I assume the MPL lists a dealer cost, with no mention of labour either? Clay/Lexi
On a somewhat related note, I am trying to understand if my 1956 Seville has original seat belts. They are red and match the red on red car pretty well for their age.
Built Jan 31, 1956 and delivered to LA. My parts catalog lists seat belts 1957 and later. The price list shared above shows seat belts but without a price.
Any one have more info?
Thanks, Dave
I can look in my 1956 MPL and see what it says about seat belts. My old 1956 Cadillac CDV had what I think were original seat belts in it. Like old style airplane seat belts. They were cool. I can also check my original 1956 Cadillac Flat Rate binder and see if a labour cost is there for belts. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: Dave CLC#16900 on November 09, 2023, 03:39:47 PMOn a somewhat related note, I am trying to understand if my 1956 Seville has original seat belts. They are red and match the red on red car pretty well for their age.
Built Jan 31, 1956 and delivered to LA. My parts catalog lists seat belts 1957 and later. The price list shared above shows seat belts but without a price.
Any one have more info?
Thanks, Dave
The 1956 MPL does mention seat belts as dealer install. See image if I can get it to post.
Can you post an image of the belts? The period belts had a rather coarse webbing texture with air craft style clasps. Also you can remove a belt and possibly tell if they were in installed over new carpet?
Would be interesting to see what the factory did to the 2 door cars to overcome the lack of front seat back retainers. And the requirement to modify the front seat bases to accommodate the inner parts of the lap belt going through the upholstery and frame.
Bruce. >:D
Quote from: V63 on November 09, 2023, 05:56:56 PMCan you post an image of the belts? The period belts had a rather coarse webbing texture with air craft style clasps. Also you can remove a belt and possibly tell if they were in installed over new carpet?
My Seville is unrestored but the front seat was incorrectly recovered prior to my buying it in 1990. The seat belts are a very course material as you described. She is tired but solid and complete spending its life in CA and AZ. If I can figure out how to share an image I will.
Here is a screenshot of the front seat area.
From what I can see that is how mine looked, except my belt webbing was a tan colour which had a course texture as V63 described. At the end they were bolted to the floor under the seat via metal brackets. Clay/Lexi
It's hard to tell from the image provided but the webbing in 1956 was definitely more textured, thicker than the smoother thinner of modern (1960's)
The carpet should appear NEW under (unbolt them) the floor fasteners if the car still has original carpet.
Yes, hard to tell. It does look smoother. Mine had a more textured, heavy, almost military surplus like look to it. Rather certain what was in my car was original. When I bought that car in early 1976 someone had actually stowed the seat belts under the bench seat, out of sight. For those who have never had their front seat out, perhaps worth a look. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: Dave CLC#16900 on November 09, 2023, 07:07:40 PMHere is a screenshot of the front seat area.
That buckle looks more like a '60's buckle to me. Plus, it looks like an Airline buckle.
Bruce. >:D
I had another look at the image exploded and Those do appear 'period' as I might expect. The webbing indeed has the earlier coarse
Texture I described.
Bruce mentioned the floppy seat backs but at that time ...it was simply not seen as concern ...much akin to vinyl over a solid steel dash as considered 'safety' or asbestos'micronite'cigarette filters.
A side story on safety as to my understanding.
Cadillac was being sued by Sammy Davis junior over the loss of his eye in a Cadillac car accident with an earlier model Cadillac involving the projectile style of the steering column center. (Horn ring center)
If you look closely at some of the early marketing literature of the 1956 Cadillac the steering column anticipated continued use of the established projectile style, but GM lost the case and the 1956 center was unceremoniously flattened into what ultimately made it into all 1956 cadillac production.
Course webbing belt dated 1958
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Softer webbing belt dated 1962
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The 1958 seat belt looks more like my 1963 Impala original belts. Much more flexible than these stiff 1956 belts. I do think they are original. Unfortunately the car is at a vacation home that I only see once a year so I can't explore more details such as unbolting from the floor. The carpeting and rest of the interior is original to the car. Just the front seat was recovered in the 70s. Here is a close up of the pass belt.
Dave
Quote from: V63 on November 10, 2023, 03:52:26 AMA side story on safety as to my understanding.
Cadillac was being sued by Sammy Davis junior over the loss of his eye in a Cadillac car accident with an earlier model Cadillac involving the projectile style of the steering column center. (Horn ring center)
If you look closely at some of the early marketing literature of the 1956 Cadillac the steering column anticipated continued use of the established projectile style, but GM lost the case and the 1956 center was unceremoniously flattened into what ultimately made it into all 1956 cadillac production.
True story. Cadillac must have abandoned the "projectile" horn ring style at the last minute. The early '56s did not have a crest in the center medalion, but they did sport plain spun metal in the new flat, no projectile type of center piece. A December 1955 GM General Service Letter later directed Cadillac Dealerships to install the newly minted 1956 Cadillac Crest medallion, at no cost on behalf of the original owner, if it was requested. Depending on engine serial number, the entire horn ring assembly was replaced or just the emblem. The attached image shows Sammy Davis Jr. examining the 1956 Cadillac steering wheel with the early, flat style horn ring center, (minus the medallion crest). Clay/Lexi
Thank you for that image of Sammy Davis!
It's interesting to me given the litigant nature of their relationship at the time the context of the image?
I believe Sammy Davis drove Lincoln's after these events?
Quote from: Lexi on November 09, 2023, 04:50:55 PMI can look in my 1956 MPL and see what it says about seat belts. My old 1956 Cadillac CDV had what I think were original seat belts in it. Like old style airplane seat belts. They were cool. I can also check my original 1956 Cadillac Flat Rate binder and see if a labour cost is there for belts. Clay/Lexi
The 1956 MPL does list "Safety Belts" for 1954 - 1956 Cadillac cars, with presumeably '54 being their first year of issue as OEM. Perhaps after market belts existed prior to 1954? The color choices are also listed in Group #51.0680 under the header "Belt Pkg. Seat" at a cost of $11.95. Looks like this is for one belt per person. Then you would have to select the hardware for assembly under Section 51.690; "Plate Pkg. Seat Belt Protective", which lists the fasteners required dependent on how many belts you instal; one, two or three, as noted. Looks like .65 cents per belt for a plate package. So one seat belt installed plus the cost of the hardware appears to be $12.60, presumeably this is a dealer cost. Guess they would mark up slightly to sell to the customer? Perhaps $5.00 labour to install one, so $17.60 excluding any taxes (and likely dealer mark up)?
The 1956 Cadillac "Flat Rate Schedule" binder does not list seat belt labour time for that item in the Accessories section. Gotta be an hour or a little less, (being generous here) to install one belt assembly? Dealership flat rates not listed in dollar value.
My 1958 "Motor's Flat Rate & Parts Manual", lists the hourly mechanic's rate for the year 1958 as $5.50 USD per hour, for work completed on passenger cars. Not sure what the rate was in 1956, (don't have that year of manual). Rates can vary depending on the shop and there is a conversion chart noted in the book.
Perhaps some of this is of interest.
Clay/Lexi
Dave, red was one of the colors offered for safety belts in '56, (your color). I also saw beige listed, which my 1956 CDV had. Clay/Lexi
Very much appreciate the feedback Lexi!! It sure feels original to the car. I might start my very slow restoration story in the restoration forum.
Quote from: Lexi on November 10, 2023, 11:40:25 AMTrue story. Cadillac must have abandoned the "projectile" horn ring style at the last minute. The early '56s did not have a crest in the center medalion, but they did sport plain spun metal in the new flat, no projectile type of center piece. A December 1955 GM General Service Letter later directed Cadillac Dealerships to install the newly minted 1956 Cadillac Crest medallion, at no cost on behalf of the original owner, if it was requested. Depending on engine serial number, the entire horn ring assembly was replaced or just the emblem. The attached image shows Sammy Davis Jr. examining the 1956 Cadillac steering wheel with the early, flat style horn ring center, (minus the medallion crest). Clay/Lexi
When we bought our 1956 7533X Body No FW 52, it came with a plain silver horn ring center. I had heard about what happened to Sammy Davis Jr. but not about the early production steering wheels missing the crest. I thought the crest was missing so I found one and installed it. It looks better than the silver disk but the silver disk has a good story. I will save it anyway. Thanks for posting.
Quote from: Kevin M. Parkinson on November 18, 2023, 11:47:46 PMWhen we bought our 1956 7533X Body No FW 52, it came with a plain silver horn ring center. I had heard about what happened to Sammy Davis Jr. but not about the early production steering wheels missing the crest. I thought the crest was missing so I found one and installed it. It looks better than the silver disk but the silver disk has a good story. I will save it anyway. Thanks for posting.
Yours is obviously an early model year car. Mine as well, with a crest added later. If you want to be period correct, the crest should have a black background as all replacement crests offered under this program were black. There was no attempt to match the crest's background with that of the interior's color, as in other production Cadillacs. Attached is a shot of mine, a replacement. Fortunately, as an Imperial Limo the front cabin of my car is black with black leather so my replacement is an unintentional color match. Clay/Lexi
Quote from: Lexi on November 19, 2023, 09:44:00 AMYours is obviously an early model year car. Mine as well, with a crest added later. If you want to be period correct, the crest should have a black background as all replacement crests offered under this program were black. There was no attempt to match the crest's background with that of the interior's color, as in other production Cadillacs. Attached is a shot of mine, a replacement. Fortunately, as an Imperial Limo the front cabin of my car is black with black leather so my replacement is an unintentional color match. Clay/Lexi
Ours is an Imperial Limousine as well. The replacement I found had a blue background and I painted it black. It looks just like yours now.
Well done Kevin! Clay/Lexi