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Title: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: chrisntam on December 02, 2017, 09:33:08 PM
What's the logic on this one?

Sure would like one 12 for year....

As a side note, I'm a consumer, not a contributor, so it's easy for me on my end....

;)
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 02, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Very simply, "It's the way it's always been..." (Since 1958)



Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on December 03, 2017, 12:50:30 AM
Think of it as a Vacation.

Both for the Editor and the Printer.   In the old days when everything was voluntary, sometimes a break was as good as a holiday.

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 03, 2017, 01:56:19 PM
Think of the Membership Directory as the "December" issue!  ;)
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: cadillacmike68 on December 04, 2017, 11:56:34 AM
^^^ That's always how I considered it.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on December 04, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on December 03, 2017, 01:56:19 PM
Think of the Membership Directory as the "December" issue!  ;)
By the time one gets finished reading through the Directory, one will be ready for the January issue. ;)

Bruce. >:D
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Art Director on December 05, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
This art director would have burned out years ago if there was a separate December issue. The editor and I welcome the break to recharge our batteries for the upcoming new year. Many other car clubs issue only four or six magazines a year, so the CLC printing 11 is a bonus!
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: BJM on December 05, 2017, 02:10:16 PM
Buick Club of America has 12 issues.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 05, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
I am one of the very, very few members who can say, "Doing this is no picnic." I did one issue for Agnes Uhlir in Nov/Dec 1967. All I did was ask for members pictures and pasted them on sheets in year order. (Back then we only went from 1902-1942.) When I got through, I did NOT want to do it again.

So I don't really care how many issues the BCA has. I've been accepting eleven issues per year for fifty three years and have never felt "cheated" out of an issue.

(And being able to say I've been an "editor" of the S/S just once ranks right up with being President for four years.)
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on December 05, 2017, 02:45:15 PM
I think with all the hard work that Tim, Steve, and everyone puts into the Self Starter every month, they deserve the break.  I'm happy to have 11 issues of an outstanding magazine to give them a break.  We all know they more than earned it.

I got my first LCOC magazine this month and it is nice, but it's just a notch below the S/S . . . and it's done bi-monthly!
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: tturley on December 05, 2017, 04:07:49 PM
We are lucky that we receive this first class publication at all. I have retired from a sports association with over 5 million members board of directors after 35 years. Years ago we had a monthly magazine and publish hundreds of thousands of rule books for each sport.
Because of the increasing cost of printing and postage we quite offering any printed publications, all are posted on line. The tremendous savings have allowed the association to do great things on other fronts.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Maynard Krebs on December 05, 2017, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 05, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
I am one of the very, very few members who can say, "Doing this is no picnic." I did one issue for Agnes Uhlir in Nov/Dec 1967. All I did was ask for members pictures and pasted them on sheets in year order. (Back then we only went from 1902-1942.) When I got through, I did NOT want to do it again.

So I don't really care how many issues the BCA has. I've been accepting eleven issues per year for fifty three years and have never felt "cheated" out of an issue.

(And being able to say I've been an "editor" of the S/S just once ranks right up with being President for four years.)

I myself volunteered for the editor job in a club for a "Brand X" publication... that didn't have any deadlines, etc..   Yet it was a frustrating experience at the time.   I did it for two years... and as I was three months away from completing that second year, I made up my mind then.. that I would resign at the end of the second year.   I'm glad that I did it; I made a contribution to that club; but I never wanted to do it again, FWIW.   It's a thankless job, in reality.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: BJM on December 05, 2017, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 05, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
I am one of the very, very few members who can say, "Doing this is no picnic." I did one issue for Agnes Uhlir in Nov/Dec 1967. All I did was ask for members pictures and pasted them on sheets in year order. (Back then we only went from 1902-1942.) When I got through, I did NOT want to do it again.

So I don't really care how many issues the BCA has. I've been accepting eleven issues per year for fifty three years and have never felt "cheated" out of an issue.

(And being able to say I've been an "editor" of the S/S just once ranks right up with being President for four years.)

I know.  11 is enough.  There is a discussion every year in the BCA over the $50 cost of the Buick Club.  I recommended they go down to 6 issues, every other month.  Lower dues, and the magazines might be better, make them bigger, more content, less months. 
Title: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: bcroe on December 06, 2017, 12:53:52 PM
I think the magazine is fabulous quality, and the directory quality is far
beyond comparison to any other car org.  The break helps make all this
possible, lets complement, not complain.  I feel a little guilty at not being
able to contribute very much to the mag.  Bruce Roe
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 06, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
Hey, write out a little story about how you found your car and send it in. You never know when Steve will need a few pages. You want to know what my first thing to appear in the S/S was? A stupid poem about 1941 Cadillacs. I re-read  it every two years or so. Ugh! Steve will take care of any grave errors you might make. And, over the years, we have found that the most popular stories are ones about "finding your car." (Brian, I'm talking to you now.)

Steve, or Tim. I've been wanting you guys (for years now) to dig out Norm Uhlir's "Two weeks behind the wheel," and reprint it. It was back before I joined. I read John McCardle's copy, or maybe it was Frank Tardy's that I borrowed. Look in the early Sixties and see if you can find it. Not only is it a good read, but it is also the only recorded instance of Norm Uhlir making a mistake relative to the CLC.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: gkhashem on December 07, 2017, 05:37:41 PM
Barry

As you mention reprints, why not reprint some of the more interesting articles if possible for members who do not have numerous old copies of the Self Starter.

I imagine the only issue may be the photos, but who care if the photos are a bit sub par as long as the read is good.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on December 08, 2017, 09:34:36 AM
George . . . that may be an interesting section of the S/S.  I think you may be on to something.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: chrisntam on December 08, 2017, 09:44:58 PM
Agree, run the good stuff again! 
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Art Director on December 08, 2017, 11:50:27 PM
Quote from: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 06, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
Steve, or Tim. I've been wanting you guys (for years now) to dig out Norm Uhlir's "Two weeks behind the wheel," and reprint it. It was back before I joined. I read John McCardle's copy, or maybe it was Frank Tardy's that I borrowed. Look in the early Sixties and see if you can find it. Not only is it a good read, but it is also the only recorded instance of Norm Uhlir making a mistake relative to the CLC.
Barry, this is the first I've learned about your request. The oldest issue I have is January 1964 (and you'll see the front page in the January 2018 issue). Do you happen to know which issue it might be in? I understand the CLC Museum has a complete set and can probably get the text to us.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 09, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
I'll get in touch with Tim or Paul and see if they can locate a copy. (Or call Norm.) Jan '64. The cover was green and the car was a 1939 60S. "Five hundred miles today and still an hour till sunset..." My first issue, too.
Title: "Two weeks behind the wheel,"
Post by: Classic on December 09, 2017, 11:18:57 AM
Barry & Tim,  Article was in the May 1963 issue of the Self Starter (cover is red with info on the Cadillac Crest).  It is 11-1/2 typewritten pages long, plus 2 pages of B/W photos.
Gene
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Jason Edge on December 09, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
Barry, I scanned a copy of the article from my May 1963 SS. You can check it out and download at this link: https://app.box.com/s/vxc6tmcd30x4wa6b4wt1ipwy182lkeuw It is about 10MB long. Tim, if there is any issue scanning and posting this I can remove it.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 09, 2017, 09:51:15 PM
Jason, thanks so much for scanning the article. It is amazing how much of the prose that I can remember "word for word." We have a relative few members using the Forum, and if Tim and Steve can find the space, I think that it might be nice to let the Club see how it was done "Way back when." (It might take three issues.)

It is also a tribute to Norm's phenomenal memory. Even when the events were "just past" I would have had trouble keeping track of who had what car, when and where. I hope those who read the article can see why it has stuck in my mind all these years as such a good read.

It might not be a good idea to let your spouses read it. It might confirm their thoughts that we all are really bonkers. Starting out some three thousand miles in a 23 year old car "just like that." Well, it WAS a Cadillac!
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: James Landi on December 10, 2017, 10:49:57 AM
A truly engaging narrative -- a wonderful account... I felt as if I were reading  Jack Karouac's  epic novel "On the Road," but as an alternative version--- where Jack and his hooligan friends all but destroy a Fleetwood they were employed to deliver, these heroes where attempting to save one from the scrap yard.  I wonder what ever became of the car... and what of the other old beauties  pictured in the piece. 
A final thought, "The more things change, the more they remain the same."

Happy day,   James
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on December 10, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
This thread has wandered all over, and I'll include one last tangent... Bill Tite was widely known in the Club as owning the very last LaSalle off the line. And his widow is still a member with a 1940 V-16.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: James Landi on December 10, 2017, 02:08:45 PM
Thanks Barry...knowing the rest of this wonderful road adventure-/epic there comes your fine epilogue.  As has sometimes been stated here, at some point those who well preserve old,yet magnificent Cadillacs and LaSalles are caretakers---veritably the cultural preservers of a bygone era; and, having these wonderful written narratives (and also having others curate them for "younger" folks to read,) is, as they say, pure gold. 

Happy day,    James
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: Art Director on December 10, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Jason, thank you for the scan. No problem with posting it. A Word document of the article is now in Steve's hands.
Title: Re: Why no Self Starter for December?
Post by: dochawk on January 18, 2018, 12:22:59 AM
Due to my own fault (running fore the office), I ran my law school newspaper for a year (and drove the student government nuts by $1000/month in black ink).

Missing a meeting, I got appointed my homebrew (beer) club's first newsletter editor twenty some-odd years ago.

And as the Faithful Navigator (president) of a 4th Degree Knights of Columbus Assembly,  I ended up responsible for its newsletter.

This stuff is *work*, and the Self Starter is many times the size of what I've dealt with.

When I was informed that I would be this year's Grand Knight (president) of my local Knights of Columbus council (I was at another KofC meeting when this was decided . . .), I was immediately told that someone else would handle the newsletter for me . . . so I didn't run.

Anyway, a month off eery year for folks that do that work is *more* than reasonable (much as I'd like another issue :))

hawk