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Title: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: 03vorteczr2 on October 20, 2009, 11:56:16 PM
Hello everyone,

Thought this would be a pretty cool topic to have to show the different widths of whitewalls on different cars all in one place. I didnt see one in a quick search so Ill start off with my 53. They are 235/75/15 diamondback with a 3.75 whitewall. What do you guys have?

Chris
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jeff1956 on October 21, 2009, 02:19:31 AM
Mine on the 56 60S are 3 1/4"  235/75/15 Diamondbacks on the Dayton Quadra-SE touring tire platform.  Very satisfied with them!  Beautiful 53 BTW!!

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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jaxops on October 21, 2009, 08:56:04 AM
My 1956 Series 75 has Diamondback 235/15 3.5" whitewall tires.

My Borther's 1949 Series 75 has Cokers.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on October 21, 2009, 11:56:54 AM
Doesn't have anything to do with whitewalls, but I had a "nice" '56 60S back when it was just a driver, just like Jeff's, same color, et al. Also had a NOS rear spear, and before I put it on, I thought how nice a Hitchcock murder weapon it would have been. Five feet long or so.... Argggghhhhh!
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: okccadman on October 21, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
American Classic 235/75/15s here on the 56 Coupe.  3 1/4 inch whitewalls.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Dennis DiNorcia on October 21, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
While we are on the topic, how many of you prefer whitewall or black tires on all of today's new cars? Whitewalls seem to be a thing of the past. I personally like the appearance of whitewalls especially on luxury cars. I have a 2006 DTS with 17 inch chrome wheels and would love to see whitewalls on it but so far I have only found Vogues at around $300.00 each. What is the consensus?
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: EAM 17806 on October 21, 2009, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: Dennis DiNorcia on October 21, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
While we are on the topic, how many of you prefer whitewall or black tires on all of today's new cars? Whitewalls seem to be a thing of the past. I personally like the appearance of whitewalls especially on luxury cars. I have a 2006 DTS with 17 inch chrome wheels and would love to see whitewalls on it but so far I have only found Vogues at around $300.00 each. What is the consensus?
Whitewalls add a lot more class to an auto plus it brings out the beauty in a car, all cars!  EAM
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: quadfins on October 21, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
To me, whitewalls evoke style, grace, and elegance. Since most modern cars lack those traits, it is no wonder that whitewalls are no longer used by manufactureres.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jeff1956 on October 21, 2009, 07:14:30 PM
barry, 

your car didnt happen to come from north platte/ scottsbluff nebraska area did it?  my car was one of a matching pair bought new back in 56...mine belonged to the lady of the house and when she passed away her husband sold it because it reminded him of her.  was your interior beige broadcloth?  i wish i knew the whereabouts to its twin...id buy it in a heartbeat even if it was in need of resto.

jeff
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jeff1956 on October 21, 2009, 07:18:26 PM
on the newer designs something like a michelin symmetry or goodyear assurance comfortread with the narrow 1/2 whitewall would be a nice accent...i wouldnt put the big whites on one.

jeff
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Chris Conklin on October 21, 2009, 08:06:53 PM
Trying to wear these out and replace them with the correct '66 only triple-white side wall.

I think the only modern car that could look good with a white wall would be a Cadillac sedan, DTS or STS (STS-V would be my choice). And I'd put Vogues on it.
[Just checked the Cadillac site, no STS-V anymore!]
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: 03vorteczr2 on October 21, 2009, 08:13:16 PM
You guys have some nice cars! Thanks jeff for the compliment you have one very nice 56 there as well.
Jaxops your brothers 49 series 75 has some really wide whites! I wonder how those would look on my 53??
On the newer cars I think a 1/2 to one inch or so whitewall would be just right.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on October 21, 2009, 08:21:47 PM
I put Coker triple stripe whitewalls on my '66 Eldorado.  As far as I can see, these are exact reproductions of the original tires that came on my car from the factory.

Greg McDonnell
CLC#20841
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on October 21, 2009, 08:28:27 PM
Firestone 721 radials with the correct whitewall width on my '77 Seville...

Greg McDonnell
CLC#20841
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on October 21, 2009, 08:30:05 PM
These are Firestone Champion 4 1/4" www bias plies.

I now have Coker Classic 3 1/4" www radials.

I think those DBs you have, Jeff look better than the radials I have.I really hate the look of radials on these cars. If I could get more than 10,000 miles on a set I'd keep using bias plies.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jeff1956 on October 21, 2009, 09:22:18 PM
thanks otto!  the gentleman from diamondback suggested that i purchase the "beauty rings" as he called them.  they added 5 or 10 bucks per tire...cant remember which, but they really set the tires off.  i get asked about them atvall the local shows because the guys locally use coker mainly.  i dont know if they offer them anymore but now anyone interested can reference them if they call for new tires.  these only have 7k miles on them and they are a 40k mile tire, but ill probably replace them in the coming year because i scuffed the two on the rear with scotch blocks and they look good until they get dusty or dirtyband the the scuff really shows up.  ill be going with diamondback and the beauty rings again if they are still available.

jeff
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on October 21, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
I think that's what makes them look more like BPs. You can just make them out on the picture of my car above.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: domer on October 22, 2009, 02:16:43 AM
I don't mean to get off the subject but can someone tell me what is/was the correct tire size and whitewall width for a 1959 Cadillac?  Also, has anyone delt with Doc Sabatino?  Any input on the Mac Daddy wheels/rims?
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on October 22, 2009, 07:04:12 PM
Are these what you're talking about?

http://www.cadillacworld.net/CadillacKelseyHayesWheelsForSale.html

$2150 for a set! Holy Smokes

They say that 48 spokes are closer to original but I think the originals only had 40 spokes. So my question is this; If they aren't exactly authentic, why are they talking down about the competition's 52 spoke version?

It seems to me that as long as you're making a wheel that isn't exactly authentic, wouldn't more spokes be better?

Coker sells 52 spoke versions for $430 each. That's $1720.

http://store.coker.com/wheels/wire-wheels/

That's $430 you can use for gasoline or to get an extra one for a spare.

No matter whose you buy, they are a sonofabitch to keep clean and nice all the time.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: 35-709 on October 22, 2009, 07:12:24 PM
"No matter whose you buy, they are a sonofabitch to keep clean and nice all the time."

That's gonna be my wife's job.

;D
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Jim Thompson on October 22, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
I don't know the width, but these tires are the old Mobil nylon ones put on many decades ago:

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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Whit Otis, 1188 on October 22, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
These are Yokohama Truck tires from Diamond Back;  750 R16.  The whitewall band is 3.75" and I had the beauty rings put on at extra cost.  Unfortunately I don't have any close ups that show this feature, but I think it was money well spent.

It is often wrongly assumed that cars of the 30's and 40's had these huge wide whitewalls, but in fact, these are often incorrect, depending on the year.  Also, many large series Cadillac's of 30's and 40's were shipped with black walls.  Sometimes the cars had the chrome work painted rather than plated.... this was apparently very common in the Philadelphia area where the wealthy were extremely conservative.  Sometimes at car shows you may overhear someone say "how Philadelphia that car looks"  and they are generally referring to a large luxury car that has black tires and other features purposely toned down.

Whit
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: EAM 17806 on October 22, 2009, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Otto Skorzeny on October 22, 2009, 07:04:12 PM
Are these what you're talking about?

http://www.cadillacworld.net/CadillacKelseyHayesWheelsForSale.html

$2150 for a set! Holy Smokes

They say that 48 spokes are closer to original but I think the originals only had 40 spokes. So my question is this; If they aren't exactly authentic, why are they talking down about the competition's 52 spoke version?

It seems to me that as long as you're making a wheel that isn't exactly authentic, wouldn't more spokes be better?

Coker sells 52 spoke versions for $430 each. That's $1720.

http://store.coker.com/wheels/wire-wheels/

That's $430 you can use for gasoline or to get an extra one for a spare.

No matter whose you buy, they are a sonofabitch to keep clean and nice all the time.
OTTO!  Be careful, your verbiage is getting inappropriate; there are ladies reading your posts too.  EAM
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: STEVE CLC #16187 on October 23, 2009, 12:24:34 AM
Quote from: domer on October 22, 2009, 02:16:43 AM
I don't mean to get off the subject but can someone tell me what is/was the correct tire size and whitewall width for a 1959 Cadillac?  Also, has anyone delt with Doc Sabatino?  Any input on the Mac Daddy wheels/rims?



Domer I bought 4 wire wheels from Doc Sabatino about 3 years ago and I love them, very high quality, Very nice guy deal with . Price was about the same as all of hem, And, they are easy to keep clean, spray them with water and wipe them off, You won't regret dealing with Doc.

steve

Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on October 23, 2009, 09:21:15 AM
I guess I should have been more specific. Wires are fine for a show car but any amount of daily driver or part time driver use will fill the nooks and crannies with road grime and brake dust.

It is a lot more work to keep wires looking good than it is to keep hubcaps clean. I've had wires before and if you get lazy cleaning them, they ugly up fast.



Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Barry Norman on October 23, 2009, 09:26:52 AM
Replaced my original 721's with these Cokers-- so far , so good !
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: caddykid60 on October 23, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
Hi.

My 1960 Fleetwood rides on US Royal Bias Ply tires with 2 1/4" white walls.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Barry M Wheeler #2189 on October 23, 2009, 10:40:28 AM
Jeff, my car had the black metallic nylon in back against the white leather. The front insert had been replaced with a plainer black nylon. A guy stopped me on the street and I ended up tradingmy 41-6127 for it as I needed a more modern driver. The only thing bad was the guy "neglected" to tell me he had been towing a boat at high speeds and had been pouring transmission fluid in by the case. So, I paid for a rebuild on the transmission right off. But, we drove it for several years after that.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jaxops on October 24, 2009, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: quadfins on October 21, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
To me, whitewalls evoke style, grace, and elegance. Since most modern cars lack those traits, it is no wonder that whitewalls are no longer used by manufactureres.

You have nailed it my Friend!!
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Rick Payton on October 27, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: STEVE     CLC  #16187 on October 23, 2009, 12:24:34 AM


Domer I bought 4 wire wheels from Doc Sabatino about 3 years ago and I love them, very high quality, Very nice guy deal with . Price was about the same as all of hem, And, they are easy to keep clean, spray them with water and wipe them off, You won't regret dealing with Doc.

steve



I have also purchased a set from Doc Sab... He is a nice guy to deal with. I loved them. I also purchased a set from Coker already mounted and balanced... They started to rust in about 10 months and they did not stand behind their product.. They would not replace it. I would tell you BUY THEM FROM DOC SAB.. you get what you pay for. He talks smack about the other wheels because they are not built with the same quality his are by far better built. 

Rick Payton
Austin, TX
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Glen on October 29, 2009, 04:37:19 AM
Someone sent me a power point slide show of the Chinese 60th anniversary parade.  I saw a lot of the military vehicles have wide white wall tires and I thought of this thread. 

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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: jaxops on October 29, 2009, 08:21:38 AM
Glen,

  That is amazing.  Where else, except soviet Russia perhaps, would you see whitewalls on a mobile missile launcher?  Those commies have some class!!  I wonder if they are factory-correct?  Can we get an AACA judgement?  >:D
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Steve Passmore on October 29, 2009, 04:40:23 PM
How about these pupies fellas, 750x16 Lesters with 5" WW
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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: domer on November 03, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
Thanks Otto. Sorry it took me so long to reply.  I've been pretty busy lately. My wife just gave birth to our second girl. Born October 20 at 4am.  Name is Bella Ann. I want to post a pic of the little one real soon.

Quote from: Otto Skorzeny on October 22, 2009, 07:04:12 PM
Are these what you're talking about?

http://www.cadillacworld.net/CadillacKelseyHayesWheelsForSale.html

$2150 for a set! Holy Smokes

They say that 48 spokes are closer to original but I think the originals only had 40 spokes. So my question is this; If they aren't exactly authentic, why are they talking down about the competition's 52 spoke version?

It seems to me that as long as you're making a wheel that isn't exactly authentic, wouldn't more spokes be better?

Coker sells 52 spoke versions for $430 each. That's $1720.

http://store.coker.com/wheels/wire-wheels/

That's $430 you can use for gasoline or to get an extra one for a spare.

No matter whose you buy, they are a  to keep clean and nice all the time.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: domer on November 04, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
Thanks for the input on Doc's wheels. I have yet to purchase a set of wheels from anyone. As mentioned earlier, my second baby girl was born a couple of weeks ago and I've been really busy with the new addition.

Quote from: Payton1960 on October 27, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
I have also purchased a set from Doc Sab... He is a nice guy to deal with. I loved them. I also purchased a set from Coker already mounted and balanced... They started to rust in about 10 months and they did not stand behind their product.. They would not replace it. I would tell you BUY THEM FROM DOC SAB.. you get what you pay for. He talks smack about the other wheels because they are not built with the same quality his are by far better built. 

Rick Payton
Austin, TX

Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Dave Leger CLC #19256 on November 04, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
Here's my 47 with Firestone 700x15 bias-ply, 4" whitewalls.

Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: srk1941 on November 05, 2009, 12:30:03 PM
Here is my '41 Convertible Coupe, with Firestone bias ply 700 x 15 tires, with a 4" whitewall
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: coopers59 on January 21, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
Mine came with older bias ply's but I switched them to 235/75R15 Diamond Back Michelin X.  I couldn't decide between 3" and 3.5" so I had them made at 3.25" as a compromise! 

Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: RobW on January 22, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
Here's my 73 with 1.6" American Classic Radials
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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Aeroman (Juan Ramirez) on March 24, 2010, 05:19:37 PM
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Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on March 24, 2010, 05:42:17 PM
Hi Juan,

Aren't you the guy that was raising spiders under your car a while back? The car looks great. I assume you got the carb situation straightened out.

Of course if I'm confusing you with someone else, ignore all this.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Richard Sills - CLC #936 on March 24, 2010, 06:22:02 PM
The correct tire for a 1959 Cadillac is 8.20 x 15 with a 2-1/4 inch whitewall.  The original tires were manufactured by either U.S. Royal, Firestone or Goodrich.  I believe the B.F. Goodrich Silvertown tires in the correct size are still available through antique auto tire suppliers. 

The data book indicates that 8.00 x 15 tires are used when blackwalls are specified, but I have not seen any 1959 Cadillacs so equipped.   
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Michael Brittan CLC #2750 on April 01, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Greg McDonnell on October 21, 2009, 08:28:27 PM
Firestone 721 radials with the correct whitewall width on my '77 Seville...

Greg McDonnell
CLC#20841

Greg, are these Firestone 721s still available?  Can you give me the width of the whitewall?  I have seen advertised 1.3" whitewalls on replacements which I think are the correct tire for 76-79 Sevilles.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on April 01, 2010, 03:05:55 PM
Firestone 721s haven't been made since 1989 or so. They were also the subject of tread separation problems, lawsuits, etc.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: J Kjerrulf on April 02, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
Firestone 8.90-15 and 5" www. Not absolutely correct for a 1957 Eldo but I like it, my home is a radial-free zone. 8)
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on April 03, 2010, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: Otto Skorzeny on April 01, 2010, 03:05:55 PM
Firestone 721s haven't been made since 1989 or so. They were also the subject of tread separation problems, lawsuits, etc.

Correct on all counts! :D  Believe me when I say I was, at the least, a bit apprehensive driving the car home (Mobile, AL) from the transport truck's drop off point (Moultrie, GA).  Aside from the four lane from Moultrie to Tallahassee, FL, the rest was I-10 at 70+mph-YIKES!  But, the tires gave me no problems whatsoever-guess luck and good fortune were with me that day! 

Greg McDonnell
#20841
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on April 03, 2010, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: Michael Brittan CLC #2750 on April 01, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
Greg, are these Firestone 721s still available?  Can you give me the width of the whitewall?  I have seen advertised 1.3" whitewalls on replacements which I think are the correct tire for 76-79 Sevilles.

Michael,

Yes, these are Firestone 721s.  Probably replaced in the early Nineties.  No, the 721s are not available any longer (due primarily to the reasons stated by Forrest in his earlier post).  I'll get an accurate measurement of the whitewall width and let you know later today.

Greg
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on April 05, 2010, 06:31:17 PM
Since the topic is back, here's my 61 Fleetwood Sixty Special with 3 1/2" Remington Cushion Aire tires.  They're old as the hills but just like brand new with no cracking whatsoever.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: cadillac-ray/5360S on April 06, 2010, 02:44:05 AM
Chris,
Your '53 is quite a looker! I'm sure she makes heads turn wherever she goes. I don't have much to add but I did find the following Wikipedia article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewall_tire
I need to clean my whitewalls on my '53 Fleetwood 60S for an upcoming car show in Kingwood, Texas, and I need to know which products to use.
Thanks,
Ray Guard

P.S. Does anyone remember Portawalls ???  Check out: http://www.portawalls.com/
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Don Rundgren on April 06, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
It took quite awhile to get them but I now have new Firestones on my 32. Thanks to Wallace Wade in Dallas!
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Michael Brittan CLC #2750 on April 06, 2010, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Greg McDonnell on April 03, 2010, 11:52:38 AM
Michael,

Yes, these are Firestone 721s.  Probably replaced in the early Nineties.  No, the 721s are not available any longer (due primarily to the reasons stated by Forrest in his earlier post).  I'll get an accurate measurement of the whitewall width and let you know later today.

Greg
Hi Greg:
Did you ever get a chance to measure the whitewall width?
Thanks, Michael
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on April 06, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
Hi Michael,

My apologies for not getting this information to you more promptly.  I kept forgetting to take the measurement when I was at my shop where the car is stored. 

The whitewall measures 1.25" exactly.  I have another Cadillac the previous owner installed Broadway Classics (radials) on and the whitewall width is identical.  I mention this as a possible replacement for the 721s that are no longer being manufactured. 

HTH :D

Best regards,

Greg McDonnell
'77 Seville and others...
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Dave and Deb on April 06, 2010, 09:14:45 PM
Diamondback 235/75/15 - 3.5"ww

Dave & Deb
(Australia)



Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Michael Brittan CLC #2750 on April 09, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Greg McDonnell on April 06, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
Hi Michael,

My apologies for not getting this information to you more promptly.  I kept forgetting to take the measurement when I was at my shop where the car is stored. 

The whitewall measures 1.25" exactly.  I have another Cadillac the previous owner installed Broadway Classics (radials) on and the whitewall width is identical.  I mention this as a possible replacement for the 721s that are no longer being manufactured. 

HTH :D

Best regards,

Greg McDonnell
'77 Seville and others...

Thanks Greg.   Just to check, the correct radial size for the 76 - 79 Seville is 215/75/15.  Is that right, including for the factory wire wheels?
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: 03vorteczr2 on April 09, 2010, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: cadillac-ray/5360S on April 06, 2010, 02:44:05 AM
Chris,
Your '53 is quite a looker! I'm sure she makes heads turn wherever she goes. I don't have much to add but I did find the following Wikipedia article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewall_tire
I need to clean my whitewalls on my '53 Fleetwood 60S for an upcoming car show in Kingwood, Texas, and I need to know which products to use.
Thanks,
Ray Guard

P.S. Does anyone remember Portawalls ???  Check out: http://www.portawalls.com/


Thanks Ray for the compliment! Post some pictures of your fleetwood if you get a chance. Would like to see it... I just use sos pads to clean the whitewalls on my car but im sure there are lots of cleaners that would work.

Thanks everyone for posting pictures of your cars. Alot of beautiful cars out there!! Lets keep them coming!

Chris
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Greg McDonnell on April 10, 2010, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: Michael Brittan CLC #2750 on April 09, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Thanks Greg.   Just to check, the correct radial size for the 76 - 79 Seville is 215/75/15.  Is that right, including for the factory wire wheels?


Michael,

Yes, 215/75/15 is the correct size tire for the '76-'79 Sevilles.  I am not sure regarding the factory wire wheels but I will check with a friend who has them on his '78 and see.  I did a quick check on the Internet and found Broadway Classics are still available and in the size you will need.

Greg
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Jeff Maltby 4194 on April 10, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
Quote : I need to clean my whitewalls on my '53 Fleetwood 60S for an upcoming car show in Kingwood, Texas, and I need to know which products to use.
Thanks,
Ray Guard

Ray. I recently cleaned my 5" WW's with Comet and a sponge . They came out near Perfect :<)
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on April 10, 2010, 08:30:54 PM
Westley's Bleche-Wite is by far the easiest and best product I have ever used for white walls. It won't discolor them either. If the Comet has bleach in it you might get yellowing. Comet is also pretty abrasive.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: eldo59 on April 10, 2010, 11:33:14 PM
Is there a tire place that sell whitewalls in the NY/NJ area??
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on April 11, 2010, 08:48:10 AM
Lucas, Coker and Diamondback will ship tires to you. The last time I hade this done it was about $35 for a set of 4. Then all you have to do is find a decent shop to mount them.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Jeff Maltby 4194 on April 13, 2010, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Otto Skorzeny on April 10, 2010, 08:30:54 PM
Westley's Bleche-Wite is by far the easiest and best product I have ever used for white walls. It won't discolor them either. If the Comet has bleach in it you might get yellowing. Comet is also pretty abrasive.

Comet does have bleach in it but on the can it states: Do not use on rubber items except tires.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on April 13, 2010, 06:09:46 PM
Spray Nine with a scrub brush has always worked well for me.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Stinson on May 25, 2010, 09:39:45 AM
Hey Geoff,
What can your wife do with these.....just a little dirty.
Ty Stinson
CLC22330
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: 35-709 on May 25, 2010, 01:35:54 PM
 ;D  I really can't say what she would tell me to do with those on a family oriented site.
Geoff N.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Stinson on May 25, 2010, 03:18:13 PM
.....but its a 1937 Cadillac just needing a woman's touch!

Ty Stinson
CLC22330
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on May 25, 2010, 04:58:31 PM
Are you sure it's a '37? I thought only the '38 had the optional tow bar and wooden seats.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Stinson on May 25, 2010, 07:27:52 PM
Hello Otto,
Frankly, I would have thought you would have recognized it as an early Cadillac smart car. Ha, ha.
Ty Stinson
CLC22330
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Rick Payton on May 25, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
Here is a restored one next to a full size cadillac. ;)
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Stinson on May 26, 2010, 06:32:57 AM
Yep, just put some fins on it!
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: STEVE CLC #16187 on June 06, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
I use SOS Pads to clean White Walls per Tire manufactures instructions.

steve
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on June 06, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
The plastic ones or the steel wool ones?

Bleche-White and a terry cloth towel works fine for me and it doesn't scuff or abrade.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: veesixteen on June 07, 2010, 05:54:07 AM
I like this thread; it has enabled me to add a few nice Cadillac wheel covers to the correspondingt (pending) "Cadilalc Database" page.  How about a complementary thread such as : "Show me your wheel covers" (if you think those on your car are in excellent shape)?
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: STEVE CLC #16187 on June 07, 2010, 10:18:16 AM
Otto, I use the steel ones. Diamond Back does not recommend bleach type cleaners.

steve
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on June 07, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
Westley's Bleche-White does not contain bleach. I'm aware that DB continues to assert that it does but they are incorrect.

Bleach or products with bleach as an ingredient should never be used on white walls. It will yellow them.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Coupedeville on August 31, 2010, 05:36:29 PM
Hi Guys

This is my 57 Coupe De Ville with Remington L78 x 15 bias plys & a 3 inch white wall.

These were on the car when i bought her two years ago and are going to need changing very soon as the side walls have quite a number of cracks in them. Also the white bands are more like various shades of yellow than white!.

I'm considering changing to radials as here in the UK on the small country roads  the handling and ride is pretty much white knuckle even at low speed.

What size would the radial equivalent be to an L78 x 15?

Joe Hunt
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on August 31, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
I think you'll find 235-75 R15 will be the closest in outside diameter and still fit under the skirts and wheel well. (28.9")

If necessary, 225 -75 R15 will surely fit but are about 1/2" smaller diameter than the 235s and a full 1" smaller in diameter than the L78s. (29.3")
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Coupedeville on September 01, 2010, 02:42:57 PM
Thanks Otto,

I've been checking prices and the best price i can get for a set of five 235 75 R15 American Classics is $304 each tyre, $1520 a set. Would you expect to pay this sort of price in the US.

Joe Hunt

Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on September 01, 2010, 05:23:24 PM
Not only no, Hell No!

The last set of wide white radials I bought set me back around $500 - pretty much the going rate for decent tires of any kind for any car.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on September 01, 2010, 05:29:49 PM
Joe, What diameter white wall do you want?

Go to tireseasy.com and look for the GT radials. They are 11/2" WW and they're $81 each.

Rick Biarritz found them.

http://www.cadillaclasalleclub.org/forum/index.php/topic,112131.20.html
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: TheMan90241 on September 01, 2010, 10:36:53 PM

1960 Cadillac Sedan DeVille with unknown brand approximately 1.25" white walls:

(https://forums.cadillaclasalle.club/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi423.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp313%2FTheMan_90241%2F1960%2520Cadillac%2520Sedan%2520DeVille%2F60SDVwhitewalls.jpg&hash=e344e455cdf15e90b28c19dabd251e56856c6d53)



1960 Cadillac Series 62 with Coker 3" white walls:

(https://forums.cadillaclasalle.club/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi423.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp313%2FTheMan_90241%2F1960%2520Cadillac%2520Series%252062%2F60Series62whitewhalls.jpg&hash=eab16887c7141254145637679eccf6302a8600d2)
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on September 01, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
The narrower white walls look better than the wide ones on the '60.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: eam12345 on September 02, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
I would prefer the 1.6 width whitewall on the 1960 to give it a little more eloquence. EAM 17806
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Otto Skorzeny on September 02, 2010, 06:36:46 AM
Yes, those '60s are a talkative model. Elegant, too.
Title: Re: Show me your whitewalls!
Post by: Coupedeville on September 02, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Hello Otto,

I am going to stay with the 3 inch white wall as i think it suits the car.

I have found some on the coker site at $199 each, but with shipping to the UK at $650 it doesn't make economic sense as i will be charged around another 30% of the total cost in tax and handling charges.

The joys of living on an island!!

Joe Hunt