Hello , I have been watching this auction on ebay and the more i look at it ,some things just don't look right . I do not see the switch for the top , the back seat is missing the very expensive rear speaker . The Biarritz letters seam to be misplaced on the fenders , they do not show the inside of the trunk , and the boot is not installed correctly . If it is a conversion, for the most part they did a pretty good job . Could this be possible ? Bill
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Eldorado-Biarritz-CA-solid-convertible-awesome-daily-driver-No-Reserve-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20ba5b5ac6QQitemZ140565502662QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks#v4-37
The real way to check would be to read the ID Plate, and inspect the car in person.
As far as the Trunk goes, he probably didn't shut it after removing the hard boot parts to add them to the photograph.
Bruce. >:D
There is definitely no sign of the convertible top switch ever being there . :-\
The car looks like it was put together real fast , i dont even see the side view mirror control , or vent cranks . it has the autronic eye but no box under the hood .If it is a conversion they did a pretty good job . The back seat sits a llittle funny but it is hard to really tell from a picture . But where is the top control ? I know i would be sick if i purchased a car only to find it was something else . I have to agree with Bruce (The real way to check would be to read the ID Plate, and inspect the car in person.)
Bill
The " Biarritz " script is way far back on the front fender.. Very suspicious car in my opinion !
Read his feedback!!! All his responses to negs sound like the ones that luvdog gives. He's a TOTAL dealer. I'm not sure about any charity???
Somebody needs to ask for a picture of the data plate.
Bob
Interesting that the parade boot is red, to match the interior, not the body.
I'm only asking because i am putting one together for my 1960 convertible. I always assumed the hard boot matches the body color, but a soft boot should match the interior color.
Any opinions on how a red hard boot would look on a white convertible with a red interior?
(Is this is what they mean by hijacking a thread, i apologize in advance)
Brian
It does look like a Biarritz (not a Seville). Interior was available in solid Kiowa red leather but the trim on the seats, seat backs and door panels is incorrect (Eldos had much narrower piping).
His positive feedback has been as low as 88%. That's way too far down for anyone I want to deal with so I'd suggest a good look before buying!
Regards,
John Tozer
#7946
I agree with the previous observations and comments about the location of the Biarritz lettering , the interior seats and side panels , the convertible top button and the hard boot color ( mine is body color ). Here are some photos of my 57's Biarritz lettering ,which was replaced back into their original body holes, and its original interior. I'm surprised the photos show the leather to be in such tough shape .I don't think the interior looks that bad in person, but maybe I should consider a dye job . So I might as well take this opportunity to ask the readers if anyone has had any experience dying their leather interior ? Thanks, Paul Tesone CLC #6876
Bill - two more photos . Paul Tesone CLC #6876
G'day Bill,
I am reasonably certain that it is a genuine Biarritz. The give away is the stainless edging around the conv top/ parade boot. THe Biarritz has no press studs. So the next clue is that the Seville and Biarritz don't share the same boot lid. The Seville lid being longer. A cut and shut on one of these is tricky and would need a donor Biarritz.
The Biarritz badge placement on the front fenders is a common mistake. The original holes get bogged and painted and some lazy repair guy loses the orignals and on go 70's ones. I have seen this on a dozen Biarritzs. The top of the fender wind splits are another common mistake area.
The doors may have come off a donor coupe (I don't know) but they shouldn't have the lock on the wing-vent as previously stated. THe speaker grill can get terribly pitted and in the hands of the wrong restorer/plater/previous owner lost.
As for the dash well yes it may be out of a coupe as well. Not hard to cut a rectanglular hole in there later on . Mind you I'd get a template off an original .
You gotta remember that these cars are nearly 60 years old and some have lived hard lives, especially converts. It may have been played with in the 60's the 70's the 80's the 90's et al. Anything could have happened. For the money I think it is reasonable. You could still have some fun for a while and fix it up as you go.
Mind you the best way to be certain is to get the style nos off the IDTag it should read 6267 SX and the body nos should read 1800 or less , check if the chassis has the conv only stiffening plates welded to the underside of the chassis.
The 57 Biarritz was the poor cousin to the 59 Biarritz pricewise for many years . Of late the higher end restoed 57s have far eclipsed 59s .
Q
Hello Quentin,
Thanks for your response, you are correct in saying it would need a doner Biarritz , and i would bet that this car is a Biarritz , but you never know what could of happened years ago . This car could of been made out of several cars . Just to many question marks in my opinion . Stranger things have happened . As always buyer beware . The missing convertable top switch is really strange ,How many times do you hear about people replacing the whole lower dash in a car , And even if someone took the time and money to do this , why not cut a hole in the lower dash to fit the switch ? Does not make sense to me . I wish i could see this car however it is 3,000 miles away . It is very interesting , Like you said with the price of these cars going up .... you never know . bill
Quote from: Quentin Hall on June 20, 2011, 06:25:53 AM
G'day Bill,
I am reasonably certain that it is a genuine Biarritz. The give away is the stainless edging around the conv top/ parade boot. THe Biarritz has no press studs. So the next clue is that the Seville and Biarritz don't share the same boot lid. The Seville lid being longer. A cut and shut on one of these is tricky and would need a donor Biarritz.
The Biarritz badge placement on the front fenders is a common mistake. The original holes get bogged and painted and some lazy repair guy loses the orignals and on go 70's ones. I have seen this on a dozen Biarritzs. The top of the fender wind splits are another common mistake area.
The doors may have come off a donor coupe (I don't know) but they shouldn't have the lock on the wing-vent as previously stated. THe speaker grill can get terribly pitted and in the hands of the wrong restorer/plater/previous owner lost.
As for the dash well yes it may be out of a coupe as well. Not hard to cut a rectanglular hole in there later on . Mind you I'd get a template off an original .
You gotta remember that these cars are nearly 60 years old and some have lived hard lives, especially converts. It may have been played with in the 60's the 70's the 80's the 90's et al. Anything could have happened. For the money I think it is reasonable. You could still have some fun for a while and fix it up as you go.
Mind you the best way to be certain is to get the style nos off the IDTag it should read 6267 SX and the body nos should read 1800 or less , check if the chassis has the conv only stiffening plates welded to the underside of the chassis.
The 57 Biarritz was the poor cousin to the 59 Biarritz pricewise for many years . Of late the higher end restoed 57s have far eclipsed 59s .
Q
My two-penneth worth...
Looks like something put together in TJ to me - especially as it's in San Diego.
I would never go on the chassis plates on a car so obviously got at like this.
The first thing I'd like to see is pictures of the chassis, pictures of the inside trunk sheetmetal, pictures of the 'A' post sans trim, pictures of the interior light in the rear of front seat armrest.
I reckon this is a somewhat okay Seville and a rough donor Biarritz for the rear tub, window frames, top frame and 'A' post header.
It's had a huge amount of work done but to be nice everything needs to be redone.
For that kind of money, I think you could do better!
This is what I would call a "Frankenstein Car" -- put together from pieces
of stuff from other donors.
The overall look is shoddy, the color combo is the pits and the top fit is
awful -- just what I would expect from a creation of this kind.
I would run -- not walk -- from this beauty at ANY price.
Mike
Love the pics of that original interior ! Thanks for posting !
I asked for a picture of the data plate and this is what I got back, good thing it still has the original rivits though:
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Dear beard_bros,
the data plate is missing. The rivets are still there.
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Subject: Other: beard_bros_hot_rods sent a message about Cadillac : Eldorado #140565502662
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Hello Jim , Iasked a few question myself , this is the answer i got .
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Sent Date: Jun-19-11 03:31:39 PDT
Dear charitykars,
Hello , I really like the car but a few question . I do not see the the convertable top switch , it seams to be filled in . Also the car has the autronic eye on the dash , but the electronic box is not in the engine compatment , does it have the vent window cranks ? and i do not see the rear convertable speaker between the two back seats .Also i do not see the electric window switches to operate the rear windows Was this car modified to be a convertable ? With all that being said , it is still a very nice car . Bill
- 1957eldorado
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Dear 1957eldorado,
I'm not familiar what goes where because I just list them for the charity organization. This is a donated car, sorry.
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Dear 1957eldorado,
"I'm not familiar what goes where because I just list them for the charity organization. This is a donated car, sorry."
My guess is the vendor will use this as an "out" when one discovers that there are issues with the car.
Cheers,Pat MacPhail
As strange as that car and auction was it still sold for $57,000 . I think we will see that car again on Ebay . Something very fishy about that car .
I thought this car would show up again . I could just imagine what the winning bidder thought when he put his eye ball on this car . something just not right about this car . Bill
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Eldorado-Biarritz-CA-solid-convertible-awesome-daily-driver-No-Reserve-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20baefb617QQitemZ140575225367QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
When the first lines of the ad are telling the range of pricing, you know this one is one to be careful on.
My 2cents
David
Someone that's real curious & has an extra 50 bucks should get an invoice on it...
Bob
David,
The problem with that is , the selles says the ID plate is missing .How do you get a build sheet without the ID Plate
Bill
Bill,
I was the one suggesting the invoice not David. You get the invoice from the VIN which he does list. The # of course starts with the 5 not all the zeros. Data plates never have the VIN on them.
Bob
Thanks Bob ,
My mistake . I should of known that because i sent for my build sheet using the Vin Number . It would be very interesting to see the paperwork on that vin number . this car sold for 57,000 just a few weeks ago . i could not believe it . I guess the guy who won the auction could not believe it also . now it's relisted .
Bill
It is being relisted by the same seller, with some minor changes to the speil.
Maybe the original lucky bidder found out something, and got out of the deal?
Bruce. >:D