I am doing a full restoration on this vehicle and in need of tons of parts. The customer owns this car is from rapid city SD. This is the first 1936 Cadillac that we are restoring. I was wondering if anyone knows wheres theirs parts or has parts. Thanks for your time Marty Anfinson. If you wanna see pictures of it you can go to www.straightlinescustomrestorations.com
75 Series 4door formal sedan 5 passenger Marty anfinson
You will need to be more specific about just what parts you require.
Sorry Steve first time doing this. We need passenger rear fender, Tail light, the door escutcheons on the outside around the handles, parts to rebuild the steering, running boards or just the strip that goes across them, front fenders, eventually all the wiring, motor is fine that is getting rebuilt now. Trans getting rebuilt now also, all the wood is just about replaced. For now from what i can tell we need is what i listed above and once we get more into the car I will have a better idea. I am not sure if we are missing anything or not I am unable to find a picture of one on the internet that matches the one we have in our shop. Thanks Marty Anfinson
Parts for these cars are a little thin on the ground. I have seen fenders on eBay but repairing the ones you have might be the way to go, that was the case with my car anyway. A parts car is what you need.
There's a smaller series 36 on ebay right now in pieces but there may not be enough that you can use from the smaller series to warrant buying that as a parts car.
Theres some repro rear light lens on eBay also, real glass ones I don't think I've seen for years. I may know of a rear light housing.
I had to completely re make my running boards as they were trashed, their big! but not the hardest thing I have had to make. The running board strips are the longest in the business. Mine came from some completely different vehicle here in the UK, I don't think Ive ever seen any for sale.
I have a 70 series Fleetwood coupe, it shares very little with that big body you have there, but if I can be of any help with pictures and such like I will.
You may be in for a crazy ride trying to find some of the parts. Others not to bad. Wiring, Rhode Island wiring should have what you want as far as a correct wiring harness. Steele Rubber should have most of the rubber parts.
I hope you find a fender.
Thank you guys for all your help. I will probably need more assistance from you guys, the farther we get into the car. Thanks again Marty Anfinson
If the customer plans on having it judged at a CLC, CCCA, or AACA, I would suggest getting the authenticity manual: http://store.cadillaclasalleclub.org/product_p/class%207-9.htm
Marty & Clif, Hats off to you guys for bringing this once former beauty back to life. As mentioned before you will find that finding parts will be a challenge. There is a wealth of experience and knowledge on this forum that is very willing to share. Good Luck, Harry
Are the outside door handle escutcheons painted body color or are they suppose to be polished? Thanks Marty Anfinson
They are chrome on brass originally Marty but they are available in stainless from 'Bobs Automobilia' amongst others along with the special tool to fit them. Its called a furrel. Check the sizes though as some are different.
Another way to search quickly for parts and or pictures i find is to Google 1936 cadillac,but when it opens up i hit the images button,it shows the pictures on the web pages,makes it easier to see if the page is relavent to what you are looking for.1936 cadillacs are quite rare,most all the peices are going to be 1 year only,theymake 37's look real popular ;D.Goopd Luck it looks like a nice car. Harvey
This may be a DUMB question but the bobs automobilia web site has a bunch of 36 Buick parts, are they interchangeable with the 36 Cadillac? Is their a way to figure out what parts/ pieces interchange? Again my be a DUMB question just trying to learn more about this car we have in here and if its possible to get door handles and exc... if they are the same...like suspension parts, rubbers seals, tie rod ends steering parts... Also for the Cadillac he wants to take it to the big car shows and restore it right, what do you guys consider over restoration....We did a 1936 ford a while back it won awards and such but the judges said it was close to over restored.... i don't know how people judge Cadillac. Thanks Marty Anfinson
Some parts are interchangeable Marty but you have to tread very carefully. The door furrels are the same as many GM makes but door handles are wildly different. Some suspension parts are shared but only between a Buick of equivalent series. There is no book that gives a definitive list of what you can or cannot use, you just have to ask the good people on this forum about each item as it comes up. I have owned many Buick's and now Cadillacs and frankly its a minefield but keep asking the questions.
The Judging at the CLC Grand National generally does not deduct points for over restoration, so long as it is "authentic" That is why I would suggest the authenticity manual. For example, you will not have points deducted for a perfectly painted engine in the correct shade of green or blue. But paint it brown or "Ford" blue, and points will be deducted.
36 was a low production year and many items are one year only. For example, the carburator (stromberg EE25), the waterpump, and the engine. Many people think that it is similar to flatheads of the other years (37-48), but it is a different casting. The water pump is longer too. I took a look at your photographs and it looks like you have a 37-48 water pump on the car. The belt should line up and not be off-set.
I am unaware of anyone reproducing parts for this car, but a 90 series Buick might have some similar parts. Unlike a ford, you cannot order new items from a magazine, so you will have to restore what you have or if missing find them and restore them.
I'm at a disadvantage here. cant seem to find any photos of this car on Straight line web site.
Here it is Steve.
http://www.straightlinescustomrestorations.com/photogallery/index.php/1936-Cadillac-5-Passenger-Formal (http://www.straightlinescustomrestorations.com/photogallery/index.php/1936-Cadillac-5-Passenger-Formal)
Thanks Joe. I have no idea why I cant access that.
What a lovely complete old car. I should be so lucky to have a car to restore in such original condition. The only thing I can see not correct Marty is the bumper 'overiders' or 'bumperetes' are on upside down, the longest section should be facing up.
One other tiny piece of advice, the inside visor brackets are made of cracker biscuits :-\ Just trying to remove the pressed rivets through the visor will break them all to pieces, mine did and it took years to find replacements, they are like hens teeth.
We thought they were upside down to but when you put them the other way the luggage rack hits them when you fold it down? Marty Anfinson
Thats because the luggage rack is not correct!
Hold up there Steve! The luggage rack certainly looks correct to me. This is a "plain back" or "slant back" limo remember and all the parts (including some very heavy castings that fit between the chassis end and the bumper) are particular to this car back and this luggage rack. I have several photos of one on two '36 75 's here and both have the rear bumperettes turned through 180 degrees so they don't foul the luggage rack.
Very nice car with lots of very rare goodies (like that clock from the rear division! Yummo)!
I see they have found the achilles heel of these cars - the rot over the rear wheel well! There will be a lot of manhours buried in that!!
That extra plumbing at the back of the block is a wierdo. I'd lose that along with the strange looking heater component sitting on the floor in the back. These cars had an exhaust hot air heater for the back seat passengers and it looks like someone has tried to rig up a substitute. The piping and heat exchanger are available new on Ebay (search Klasskollection). They are shown on Ebay for a '36 - 48 Lincoln but the guy will make them, including the branch pipework if needed, for '36, '37 Caddies.
Agree with you about the Running Boards. Just hard work. The guy who did mine new for me reckoned he would never do them again..... well, not for less than four times what I paid!
Should we tell him about trying to replace the '36 engine mounts?
Great to see a car like this being re-birthed but they were virtually hand built and there is very little of anything that was not specific to Cadillac and even the smaller series (60 and 70) won't help for exchange parts. I even recovered very little of use from a '36 parts car I had for my '37. As someone else has said, the '36's made the '37's very popular!
Here's the Ebay Number for the exhaust heater:
230465177368
...and a photo of the '37 variant of this car with the correct luggage rack:
The link to the photos is very informative. Even back then Cadillac "rationalised" their production somewhat. It is evident from these photos that the floor pans for these 75 series cars seem to have the pressings in them for the seven seat arrangement (see Image 1394) even if the car was only finally a 5 passenger car. I see also that the divider partition has the cut-outs for the seven passenger seats to fold into (image 90 of 330) but they have just been upholstered over for the five passenger car (Images 1364 and 1383).
First time I've ever seen how they made the roof on these Formal Cars - they are not a single pressing welded in and loaded with lead as is the case for all the sedans but a totally separate roof pressing (Image 98 of 330) and a heap of separate pressings for the corners. A true Fleetwood "Composite Body" car!
Great photos though for anyone trying to re-build one of these cars.
Last comment.....
Personally, I've always thought the luggage rack (that is a hangover from much earlier vintages) screws up the otherwise very fluid lines of these "slant back" or "plain back" cars from that era.
Quote from: tozerco on March 26, 2014, 12:58:24 AM
...and a photo of the '37 variant of this car with the correct luggage rack:
I can see your right John, but I have a hard job getting my head around Cadillac making a rack that would not actually fit the back of their cars without altering the over-riders! Maybe it was a rack that Fleetwood found that was the only type they could make fit to the detriment of the bumper detail?
I can see no reference to a carrier on GM cars in general after 35 so I guess they had to do something on these trunk-less sedans?
Nah, Steve, they actually went to a helluva lot of trouble to stick that farmer's gate on there. If you blow up the photo of the brown car you can make out the HUGE cast bracket (bit like a shoulder bone) that is fixed between the ends of the chassis and the bumper.
Why people who insisted on carrying luggage didn't just buy a trunked sedan is beyond me. I guess we should be happy they didn't throw roof racks on it!
How's your newy coming along?
Thank you guys for all your information. what about changing the engine mounts? Thanks, Marty Anfinson
Hey Tozerco is that rear window two separate pieces of glass and also do u have a picture of the front of the 37 is the windshield suppose to have two separate pieces to? On ours the rear glass is one piece glass but when i ordered the seal kits the guy was saying it was suppose to have a split glass wondering if he is right?
Thanks, Marty Anfinson
Marty, your body style is a little different regards the rear window. your supplier is probably referring to the normal back window of a 36 Cadillac which IS a split window, well actually one piece e but separated by divisions witch have rubber under the divisions creating three windows. You will probably have to order the rubber by length and cut and glue it yourself.
The front screens are two separate pieces of glass.
Steve is right.
These Formal cars had a single rear window and the solution Steve offers is the way for you to go. I have never seen (but then again, I've never required) rubber for a single rear window. I will have a little bet that it's not particularly fancy or special anyway (unlike the split rear window rubber which has the extra flat rubbers for the two vertical bars). The rubber for the double front windscreen is available from Steele.
Quote from: S Passmore on March 21, 2014, 09:26:32 AM
Thanks Joe. I have no idea why I cant access that.
What a lovely complete old car. I should be so lucky to have a car to restore in such original condition. The only thing I can see not correct Marty is the bumper 'overiders' or 'bumperetes' are on upside down, the longest section should be facing up.
One other tiny piece of advice, the inside visor brackets are made of cracker biscuits :-\ Just trying to remove the pressed rivets through the visor will break them all to pieces, mine did and it took years to find replacements, they are like hens teeth.
Looks like this 36 has smaller "bumperetes" Or, they have broken off. I can't tell. This car is on Ebay, now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-Fleetwood-Limosine/181366600635?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3D5886185198959979917%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D20140211132617%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D181366600635%26clkid%3D5886185950687778557&_qi=RTM1562569
another pic
I'm going to have a bet that those bumperettes have been cut off. I will also put two months pay on the "ZERO RUST" claim being bunkum!. These cars rust from the back forward and the admission to "dry rot" in the timbers and water damage visible in the back seat tells me:
1. The rear window rubber has been the first to go - perished and split - so the water gets in. The sun damage to the leather roof suggests that the "Barn Find" barn door was open for quite a while;
2. The water runs left and right (note how the leather roof cladding is highest in the middle and dips to the low point at the outer left and right hand edges? Water does the same internally - it runs down the grade to the left and the right. There is probably even a weld seam in the sheet metal to guide it there (I should check Jon's excellent photos on this);
3. At the left and right hand ends, the water, which is now inside the car, has nowhere to go but down - onto the lapped joint between the rear fender and the wheel well in the body. Hence the severe rot in this location in the car Jon is restoring. It was the same in all three of my cars from this period - '36 and '37;
4. To make matters worse, Fleetwood turned the outside flange on the floor pans UP on these "Plain Back" cars rather than down where the floor pan meets (but is not welded to) the "Plain Back" body panel along the whole of the rear of the car (above the bumper)..... creating a flat dam about 3/4 inch high all around the floor pan so the water sits in the up-turned flange floor area until it rusts through the pan.
None of this is visible or verifiable until the rear fender is removed at least and the rust in the floor can't be checked until the whole of the rear seat upholstery is removed (there is no way in from outside - no trunk to open!) or, at least, the fuel tank is removed and you try pushing a screwdriver through at a few points.
This car has got to be saved but the claims to "Zero Rust" are hysterical and totally unverified (and, in my view, not readily verifiable)!
I agree with you on all counts John, someone hated those bumperettes turned up the wrong way so lopped em off!.
This car looks a carbon copy of my 37 V12 in condition and that bit you said about the upturned floor pan where it meets the side walls is true also of the smaller Fisher bodies, mine has it.
The '36 V12 is doing OK on Ebay but it would want to top out soon or someone is going to bury a lot of money in it. I just noticed the damage to the grille and that alone will take some investment even if you can find a new one.
This car is unusual in that it is actually a 5 passenger car with the "occasional" seats, not the full seven passenger seat sets. I am still intrigued to note that the other car has the cut-outs in the back of the divider for these occasional seats but they don't appear to have been fitted and the cut-outs have been upholstered over.
Pretty rare car I would think so I hope it goes to a good home.
The car was bid up to $21,100 and the reserve was not met. Just doing a few sums in my head and recounting Ty Stinson's advice on restoring a V12, allowing for totally new upholstery, paint, leather roof, new diecast grille etc. etc. (not to mention the highly probable diff problems that these cars are famous for) someone is kidding themselves if they knocked back that money. Nice car but.......
Quote from: martyranfinson on March 18, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
I am doing a full restoration on this vehicle and in need of tons of parts. The customer owns this car is from rapid city SD. This is the first 1936 Cadillac that we are restoring. I was wondering if anyone knows wheres theirs parts or has parts. Thanks for your time Marty Anfinson. If you wanna see pictures of it you can go to www.straightlinescustomrestorations.com
Looks like you forgot to write anything Dennis when you posted Martys quote?
Wonder what ever happened about this car as this thread went silent March last year?
Dennis, thanks for posting the link for this restoration. I'd probably missed this thread if you hadn't. I'm in the process of gathering info for my 36-7019's continuing restoration. Mine came in pieces and this is the first chance I've had to see how things fit together. Mine didn't come with much to reference, so this is truly a great find for me. Good stuff!
I have a model 85 vin. 4110146.. 5 pass. touring sedan. V-12 "running" /3 speed top loader trans w- a bar built in to the back of front seat. 64,000 mi. new chrome / body rubbers,wire harness is new , re worked radiator new thermostat to open shutters in front of rad. , Brakes, tires, nos w-white walls. Calif. car has lots of extras...ready 4 restoration.. body great shape minor repairs not crashed.. I restored many cars; body's never this clean. I don't want to resto rod this car it has too much value to DE- VALUE it..
Dennis 510-909-4103 Calif.