I am looking for a V16 to build. I would like to have the 452 but I will take what I can get! I will take an incomplete engine as well. Any help on finding one of these engines would be greatly appriciated. Thanks for any help! My email address is dhamilton3456@hotmail.com
Does anyone know where i could find a V16 engine? I know that cadillac made them in the 1930's...finding one is proving very difficult. If anyone has any v16 engine parts, I would be interested in them...maybe I can piece one together over time!
Is there anyone out there that sells parts for these engines? I would imagine that the cam would need to be custom built, if the original is no good??
Dustin,
There are more 1930 V-16 motors around because they made the most,by FAR, in that year. They are around, but usually stripped of all the "goodies". Read that as valley cover,carbs, manifolds, starter & gen. Those are the hard parts to find. Many people have beat the bushes before you.
Bob
There were 2 versions right? Wasnt one like 45* and the other 160*? Did they share any parts?
TJ,
You're right about there having been two different Cadillac V-16 engines. There was an overhead-valve V-16 produced for the 1930 through 1937 model years with a 45 degree V angle. For model years 1938 through 1940, there was a side valve (flathead) V-16 with a 135 degree angle. You can read about both engines and the cars they powered in The (New) Cadillac Database, Yann Saunders's magnificent on-line collection of Cadillac facts and pictures. The Database is accessible from the CLC home page, and it has an extensive section on the Cadillac V-16.
Hope that helps,
Chris Cummings
CLC #20072
Thanks for the heads up on all the info!! There is a water pump and a timing chain on ebay, I have sourced a distrubutor cap and few other small trivial parts for a V16 but THATS IT... I don't have the first clue where to look for one of these things, if anyone has some advice or contacts please let me know! The more research I do and the more I think about it....I NEED a vintage V16
May I ask what you are looking to spend for a complete drivetrain? Maybe I can help. ;)
What are they worth? Don't see to many of them for sale. I know it depends on the condition, so lets say a rebuildable core to a fresh rebuild.
This rebuilt early V-16 engine recently sold at auction for $10k.
It is unclear to me what your over all plan is. If you just want to get involved with a many cylindered engine, why not a Lincoln V-12 from the Zephyr/Continental class? There are zillions out there, parts are cheap, and available, and when finished someone will buy it when you are tired of looking at it. Some speed parts are available too.
It would take deep pockets and much patience to piece together a V-16 unless you can find one made into a saw motor some where. If you doubt this, check Otto's list of suppliers for V-16 parts and price just a few things you might need. If money is no object, buy a car with the V-16 in it already, and have a ball.
If I was at that auction I probably would have bought that engine!! Im thinking around $5000 for a rebuildable core??
Well, Ive got big plans for this engine...it's not going in a Cadillac. I am going to build a rod, starting with an early/mid 30's 2 door sedan body. It's not going to be a "run of the mill" or typical ratrod...it will be along the lines of a ratrod (chopped top, low to the gound, fenderless) but with more class. I am going to build this car with some early Cadillac enspired details. The engine has to be something very different, something that will have people saying WOW! To me, the V16 is the only way to go on this kind of build...I have thought about the V12s out there and even the "W" type engines, but the V16 really fits in better with what I have in mind. The engine is going to be the biggest expense of the project, other than my time in the fabrication process.
Even though this is going to be a custom rod, I do not want to molest a V16 (If I can get one..). I want to keep the engine as close to factory as possible.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/5506/german-nutcases-construct-v16-powered-land-rover-based-behemoth/
It would be almost impossible to buy even a rebuildable core for only $5000. I would say that almost all V16 drivetrains are known. I hope you do find one. As I said in our email, if you want a V16, I will sell you one, early V16 or late V16, I have them both but it's going to cost ya. ;)
Well, I've been getting a few emails from people that have V16 engines. Some complete and some not. I am not sure what to buy...I may end up with a 38-40 135 degree flathead. How common are freeze cracks in the block of these engines? Where do the cracks usually appear and how much do they effect the strength of the block?
You guys out there that have rebuilt V16s, where can I find head gaskets? I am not too worried about the rest of the gaskets, I can make those or have them cut for me.
MattV16 what will it take to buy that early 16? or the late model? maybe both...a package deal. Shoot me an email, I would really like to know more about the condition of them and maybe a pic or 2
If anyone else has a V16 engine or just parts, let me know...
I really apprciate the replys you guys have been giving me, thanks!!!!
found Otto's Vendor list.....
:<)
Thanks Chris Cummings for the pictures in 05.
Another box full of V16 items.
Where is it today ?
Last picture.
Doug, there is a vendor on that list who specializes in parts for V12 and V16 cars of the early 30s. Pete Sanders / Pete's Parts
Quote from: dhamilton56 on January 18, 2010, 11:23:57 PMI am not sure what to buy...I may end up with a 38-40 135 degree flathead. How common are freeze cracks in the block of these engines? Where do the cracks usually appear and how much do they effect the strength of the block?
From what I have heard from late Sixteen experts, freeze cracks are fairly common in the 135 degree blocks. Some can be repaired with welding and others cannot. I have a copy of the Sixteen section of the 1939 salesman's data book and it states that it is a tribute to the skill and accuracy of the Cadillac foundry that a sixteen-cylinder block and crankcase can be poured and formed in a single casting. Although metallurgy and foundry techniques had improved since the first Ford V-8's (the first unitized block/crankcase engines) of 1932, the majority of which were either discarded at the foundry or replaced in the field, and probably mostly as a result of the problems with those blocks, the flathead V-16 engine was obviously a much greater challenge because it had twice the number of cylinders and almost exactly twice the piston displacement. Some areas of that very large block apparently ended up being of less than optimal thickness for maximum freeze damage resistance. As for where the cracks usually appear, my guess is that they would be adjacent to the water passages, but exactly where I don't know.
Quote from: MattV16 on January 13, 2010, 03:07:03 PM
It would be almost impossible to buy even a rebuildable core for only $5000. I would say that almost all V16 drivetrains are known. I hope you do find one. As I said in our email, if you want a V16, I will sell you one, early V16 or late V16, I have them both but it's going to cost ya. ;)
Very correct, I however dont exactly like hearing about a the future possibility of a V16 powered Rod, but hey I'm a tree, I can bend.
Also, will everyone posting Cadillac V16 parts for sale, please contact me asap for a quick sale of all your V16 parts, anything and everything. E-mail dc2turbo937@yahoo.com Cell 937-479-6894 call anytime Thanks!
nice hijack! why don't you start your own thread instead of cutting in on someone else's deal? it's easy enough.
Otto, thanks for the parts supplier reference! I would not have found that on my own.
Jeff, NICE PICTURES!! Is that stuff all yours? I love looking at those barn find cars, and parts for that matter. Theres something about a barn fresh car that I can't help but admire...dirt and all
Thanks for the input Rusty, I cant tell you guys how much I appriciate the replys and emails you all have been sending.
I am 95% sure Im going to buy a 38-40 flathead v16, I will have my work cut out for me...but thats what I was wanting ;) Hopfully I can get started on this project in the near future. I haven't gotten too in depth with the design of the car yet, mainly looking for the V16 engine and whatever engine parts I may need first. That way I can have the engine sitting in my shop, get all the supporting parts designed, built, looking good...and then build a car worthy of sitting behind it.
johnwalker, thank you sir
Jeff,
A year or two ago, the owner told me that he sold the car and collection of parts to a fellow in the Los Angeles area. That's as much as I know. Prior to that the owner had been asking $35,000.
Chris Cummings
Dustin,
Here's my opinion. Go with an OHV. I can see it now... custom log intake manifolds with 4, no ,make that 6 carbs either down draft or side draft. Chrome headers custom tuned to make that baby "talk" , don't forget to run the tail pipes ALL the way to the rear! Lots of chrome & polished aluminum... NO hood of course. You can never achieve that look with a flat head.
Bob
Dustin:
There are V-16 engines out there of the '38 to '40 Flathead variety. There was one ebay in Dec. That was almost complete and had been rebuilt which went for $8500.
My son and I were thinking of building a flathead V-16 old style hot rod with the parts of an engine I had left over after I finished the restoration of my 38 V-16 Town Sedan, but in evaluating the cost of the engine parts and overhaul, we decided that a Cadillac flathead V-8 hot rod would be much more economical.
The late V-16's crack longitudinally along the sides of the block, I have a cracked block.
Terry
Terry,
Is there any way to repair a cracked block? I've heard of it being done (not necessarly on a Caddy V16).
Ir depends on the crack - where it is and how big it is. Some blocks can be welded. Sometimes there isn't enough metal to weld a crack successfully.
Aramp1
Cracked blocks can be fixed But its like Forest says, it depends on the crack and how good the person who repairs it is. The cracks on my block, which is a spare one, go most of the length of the block on both sides. W
Terryhen I bought my car, another good block was included so I never investigated having the cracked one fixed.
I have had good results with Cast Iron cracking by using a process called "Metal Spraying".
Expensive, but well worth it if it really needs being constructed, or repaired.
It even allows you to join metals of dissimilar types. Like Steel to Cast Iron.
Special equipment is required, and any good engineering shop should have it.
Bruce. >:D
Bruce,
Never heard of it. Any links or more info?
Firstly there is this:
http://www.castolin.com/wCastolin_com/products/coating/spray_fuse.php
and then :
http://www.metallisation.com/index.html?gclid=CNKs7rPj0J8CFcQtpAod0Gvh0A
Bruce. >:D