1996 fleetwood came with 235/70R15 Michelin. I would like to know if American Classic 235/75R15 will fit without any problems?
M. Coleman
The only difference is the 75 tire is somewhat narrower and taller, most compnaies have a tire size fitment chart, your speedo will read slightly less then actual speed.
there is approx 1'' difference in diameter
if you are reall concerned about clearance, you can go to a used tire place and pick up a cheap 235 75 15 tire and mouont it to one of your rims and than try it front and rear to see if any clearance issues exist
there are about 20 revolutions per mile less with the 75 series tire
so speedo will be reading slower than you are going by a couple mph
probably make it dead on as most cars read optimistic anyway
you may notice a softer ride and a minutely more delay in handling as the taller sidewall takes a bit longer to respond to steering inputs
probably not enough to really notice unless you push the car hard
Hi Major -
If you are just looking for some driver tires for your Fleetwood, Hankook makes a correct size whitewall in their MileagePlus series 235/70/R15- with a 620 wear rating. The whitewall is a little smaller than I prefer, but it sure beats a blackwall. I have been running them for a couple of years now without any issues, and they are quieter than the Michelins they replaced.
Usually available at Discount Tire, which runs frequent specials.
T Moore
I ordered a set of Hankook P235 70R15 WW for my '90 Brougham. When I went to have them installed, I was informed that they are no longer made in WW for that size. I had to settle for P225 75 R15, which really don't look as nice on the aluminum rims I have on the car. (90's Caprice with Cadillac centres)
I have been looking for whitewall P235 70R15 for my '94 Fleetwood. It seems outside of Coker or Vogue, they are a dying breed. However a more recent search turned up Kumho that are made in WW in that size.
The rim width on the '93-'96 Fleetwood is 7" I believe, and some 75 series tires may shoulder out causing more of the shoulder area of the tire to be in contact with the road. Also, the taller size may interfere with turning, allowing the tire to rub on the fender or chassis. I would suggest you install one tire on the front to make sure there are no clearance issues.
Mike
i am currently running 235 75 15 on 8''rims with no issues
diamond back tires can make pretty much any tire you want into a whitewall any size you want
I have been running 235 75 15 Hercules whitewalls on my 95 and 67 Fleetwoods and couldnt be happier with them. They are reasonably priced, great quality and American made. If you have a Hercules store near you, check them out.
I just called our vendor at work. they state they have 50+ Hankook Mileage II plus 235/70-15 whitewalls in stock. So there are some out there.....
The size 235/75 will be fine. I enjoyed a 1995 Fleetwood for 254k miles and all the replacement tires were the 75 series, because they were $100 cheaper per tire and no difference whatsoever was noticed driving, appearance and etc. I really babied that car, but just thought the 70 series was a waste.
Sometimes my passengers made fun of me for driving an old man car. When they saw the 25mpg highway and their necks snapped at the stoplight, they were praising my choice.
Enjoy your Cadillac!
I'm getting to the point where I'll need to replace the tires on my '94 Fleetwood. I'd like to see a set of 75 series tires installed on one of these cars before I decide to take the plunge. I do like the look of the 70 series, why I wanted them for my '90. I installed a set of used 70 series on the '90 and ran them for a couple of yeasrs until the belts began to separate. They looked great. The 75 series tires just aren't the same.
I have has Hercules MX Plus on my '70 Fleetwood for 15 years, on my second set now. I have been more than satisfied with them.
And yes Scot, these Fleetwoods are hot rods. The power is tremendous, and they just don't stop pulling. At least until the speed limiter cuts in. I wonder what the top speed would be if the limiter were disabled. And the fuel economy is also incredible. Amazing for such a large car.
Mike
Im not sure how different the Fleetwood and Roadmasters were but I bought a 96 Roadmaster that had 235 75 15's on it and they rubbed. Did not have that problem on my other Roadmasters with 225's. IF you are looking at a vendor that has a white wall in a 235 they likely also have it in a 225. The 225 75 is likely closer in diameter to the 235 70 if that was original.
Here is my 1995 with 235s
I drove my Fleetwood past 100mph on the highway once (hypothetically, because would never admit to breaking the law in writing). It cruised at that speed no problem with lots of pedal left. Top speed is likely similar to Impala SS, guessing 135mph or so. That 260hp must be under rated, because my Dodge with 340hp hemi does not seem as fast at speeds under 50mph.
If they still made them, I would have bought another in 2006 when I bought my Dodge instead. Is it too much to ask for an American rear drive V-8 powered sedan that seats 5 comfortably. Come on Cadillac make that "S: class fighter. All wheel drive is no good, it is inefficient and beneficial only in extreme weather conditions which is what my 4 wheel drive truck is for.
I have reliable information that the 9C1 Caprice with the LT1 and 3.08:1 gear can attain and maintain speeds approaching 150 MPH. This is an aerodynamically limited speed. The Caprice is a bit more aero than the Fleetwood. I have theorised a top speed in the 140 MPH range with the standard 2.93:1 gear.
I have to agree that some of these new power ratings are a bit optimistic. However the newer 5,6 and even 7 speed transmissions use any power rating to advantage because they keep the engine more in their power band. But another thing that comes to mind is the excessive weight of any of the newer cars. The Charger is a very heavy car, easily the same weight as the Fleetwood. And with the indicated 340HP, you would think it would be quicker.
Okcadman, that is a beautiful car. Love the chrome wheels. I have the standard wheels on mine, and the clearcoat needs to be redone. And the tires look very good. I'll have to research actual tire sizes when I go to replace mine. I have found there are variations from manufacturer to manufacturer.
Mike
Mike
Thanks Guidematic. I love these Fleetwoods. Over the last 15 years, I lost a 94 with 400,000 plus miles and a 95 with 185,000 to careless drivers and my mom just totalled her 96 with 270,000 so I have yet to kill one mechanically. They are big, safe, comfortable cars that happen to be fast and fun. By the way, we found an extremely nice Carmine Red 94 with 70k for Mom. After her wreck, she wanted one just like the old one because she walked away without injury after rear ending a truck in a rainstorm.
It's a shame to see any of these cars wrecked, either from a collision or simply being driven into the ground. The drivelines have proven to be very reliable and durable, and are capable of going any distance.
Every once in awhile, the planets align, and a very good car is made. The '94-'96 Fleetwoods are such a car. A big roomy and extemely comfortable car that has the power to embarrass many other so called performance cars. And the icing on the cake is the excellent fuel economy.
Back in the fall of '93 a triple Dark Cherry Fleetwood Brougham came into the dealer. I fell in love with it. And finally many years later I found a nice example that was priced right. I love that car, and itn so many ways it's very similar to my 1970 Fleetwood. The space and the power, and that silky smooth ride.
I came to realise that I owned 2 of the fastest Fleetwoods ever made. One powered by the high compression 472, and the other by the excellent LT1.
Mike
Mike,
I want to buy a 1970 Fleetwood. Have three 1970 Cadillacs, restoring one completely. Two are convertibles and one is a sedan. maybe some day that 1970 Fleetwood will be in my garage. Probably will not get a 1994-6 Fleetwood due to storage limitations. Like I said enjoyed a wonderful 1995 Fleetwood for 254k miles,best daily driver ever. Does not look like anything is coming over the horizon in the new car arena that will be any better either.
Enjoy your powerful Fleetwood,
Scot
Here is one of my favorite photos. This is my Calypso Green 95 (120k), my mom's new Carmine Red 94 (70k) and my friends Dark Adriatic Blue 96 (60k). My friend is using HDR photography and this was one of his first experiments. Looks like a Cadillac advertisement to me.
A nice black one came up for sale at a dealer near me. 50,000 miles .
Seems to be a bit high on price , compared to others for sale in the area.
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ctd/3327153831.html
Quote from: Scot Minesinger on November 14, 2012, 10:32:38 PM
Mike,
I want to buy a 1970 Fleetwood. Have three 1970 Cadillacs, restoring one completely. Two are convertibles and one is a sedan. maybe some day that 1970 Fleetwood will be in my garage. Probably will not get a 1994-6 Fleetwood due to storage limitations. Like I said enjoyed a wonderful 1995 Fleetwood for 254k miles,best daily driver ever. Does not look like anything is coming over the horizon in the new car arena that will be any better either.
Enjoy your powerful Fleetwood,
Scot
Scot,
If I had the room, I would certainly have others. Right now I have to be quite creative with parking and storage. I think 1970 was one of the high water marks for Cadillac. Although I do like the 1971-76 cars, the less powerful engines, the lesser detailing and of coarse they lack those wonderful big seats of the 1969-70 cars.
The Fleetwood to me is the Cadillac of Cadillacs. That's why I favour them so much. The interiors often border on decadent, the extended wheelbase offers incredible rear seat room, and they have styling features that are unique to the series. These features are not always found in Fleetwood sedans over the years, but they are abundant on the 1970.
Having 3 1970's to choose from is nice. The convertibles, the last of the RWD version, are beautiful. I have always wanted a convertible over the years. Maybe one day I'll have one.
Mike
Quote from: okccadman on November 15, 2012, 08:24:28 AM
Here is one of my favorite photos. This is my Calypso Green 95 (120k), my mom's new Carmine Red 94 (70k) and my friends Dark Adriatic Blue 96 (60k). My friend is using HDR photography and this was one of his first experiments. Looks like a Cadillac advertisement to me.
That is a beautiful picture! It would be my favourite as well. It looks similar to the paintings done, and that are generally available, to the muscle car crowd. The name of the artist escapes me at the moment.
He did do one on Cadillac and I have it, albeit it needs to be framed and hung yet.
I would bet your friend could do prints based on these photos on groups of desireable cars and make a decent living selling them.
Mike
Quote from: 936CD53 on November 02, 2012, 04:31:08 PM
I just called our vendor at work. they state they have 50+ Hankook Mileage II plus 235/70-15 whitewalls in stock. So there are some out there.....
Time to necro-post here.
Would you care to let us know who this vendor is, i.e. name & contact info, so we can see if they still have any of the 70 series in whitewall left? Thanks.
Mike this is a 2012 post and I suspect there will be no answer to your question. Try Diamondback and Coker for replicated tires.
Mike -
You can still find them, but they are not easy to get -
http://www.avnmotorsports.com/product-p/hk07723705w.htm (http://www.avnmotorsports.com/product-p/hk07723705w.htm)
My daily driver from 1997 thru 2005 was a 1995 Cadillac RWD Fleetwood, and it was the best car I ever owned with no troubles when I sold with 254k miles on untouched original drive train and a/c save normal maintenance.
I used the 235/15/75 tires on the first and all other replacements because they were half the price of the 70 series. Never suffered any issues ever, great ride and handling. The Goodyear Reattas or whatever the name was worked great. Unfortunately they don't make them anymore.
Mike,
did you have any luck in locating any of those Hankook Mileage Plus II 235/70 R15 tires? I'm currently using those on my '96 FB and also on my '95 Roadmaster Wagon and I'm very happy with those but now I need another set. I'll call Big O Tires tomorrow to find out but would like to hear if you had any success, or found another brand that has a 235/70 WW tire.
Thanks,
Stephan
Mike,
Just got a few things straightened out on my 1970 red Convertible so I can drive it to NY for GN this week. If you are there you will see me in the 1970 group. Are you able to make the trip?, and if so which car are you driving?
Be careful with Hankook and Kumho. They have a different "stance" than Firestone or Goodyear. Definitely don't mix them. My nephew did on the 1990 Grand Marquis I gave him and the car rides funny. He had put a Hankook on the front with a Goodyear tire on the other side...not a good idea. I was able to find some Goodyear whitewalls on the shelf at Ocean Air Tires in Va Beach for my '97 Town car. I would use Diamondback for all of my other classics though. I have them on my 56 cadillac, and I will put them on the 70 Electra when those tires get too old. Good luck!
According to Big O Tires the Hankook Mileage Plus II 235/70 R15 are not available anymore and they couldn't find any in stock in any of their warehouses either. That's disappointing because I really liked those.
Two whitewall alternatives I found are the Hankook Optimo H724s. They are available in size P225/75R15 which is a slightly taller tire than the 235/70 but is only 225 wide. The other is a 235/75 R15 which is a significantly taller tire but has a way higher load rating than the Mileage Plus II, 108 instead of 102. I'd consider the 235/75 but I'm concerned if they fit and also if they are harsher riding due to the higher load rating. Is anybody using those and would care to give me some feedback? Thanks.
I don't think you are going to notice a change in the ride just because of the size assuming they fit.
I just don't remember what sizes I ran on my Roadmaster, I think usually 225 75 was the largest but seems like I have seen those cars running around with white letters and those are most commonly 235's.
Gary, I'm Not looking for replicated tires. I am looking for modern speed rated 235-70-15 in WSW.
I have a set of five Hankook Mileage Plus II on the Fleetwood at present, but they will not last forever. I also have that same size (Yokohama Avid Touring, six of them) on my 1968 DVC. I'm thinking of getting a new set of 235-75-15s for the DVC, putting the Yokohamas on the Fleetwood and wrapping up & storing the Hankooks until the Yokos wear out.
If I don't do that, and size 235-70-15 completely disappears in WSW, then I'll probably have to go to 235-75-15 for the Fleetwood.
I did see an ad for a GT Radial (whatever that is) in 235-70-15 WSW, but I don't have any reviews or opinions on the tire or maker.
Here are two links:
http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse.com/Discount_Tires.cfm?pn=GT100A745&pID=32595
http://www.spinning-rims.com/Store_Detail.cfm?ID=296179&InfoID=5094
I think they are the same outfit.
Does anyone have any knowledge of these companies, or their tire offerings? ??? ???