I have acquired a 1960 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz frame with matching numbers and registration (title). Just trying to get a rough value. I realize this is a numbers thing and could be used to clone or rebuild a 60 Biarritz. The frame has coil springs but some air ride valves and lines are still present. I suspect this was a loaded car. I guess my question is "if you owned it, what would you try to sell it for" Thanks ;D
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Data plate:
60-6467 = 1960 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz
FW body # 55 out of 1285.
Trim 19B - Red leather bucket seats.
Paint 14 - Platinum gray.
Top 1 - white.
Hello Robert
If a "perfect" 1960 Biarritz with bucket seats has a 154k book price, what percentage of that value do your components represent to a cloner or restorer? 30k
Any idea what happened to the body? I can't answer unless I had more of a history of these parts.
It might have been worth 30k if it still had a rough body and the eldo parts still present.
I have only seen a few 59 - 60 frame and paperwork combos for sale over the years and they usually go for the 5 -7 k range.
From what I was told the car was at a bodyshop getting a frame off restoration. The car was dismantled and all the parts sent to the appropriate divisions for restoration. The frame as you see it in the photos was put outside. The body was put in another building to be stripped. At some point that building caught fire and burnt down destroying the body (over 20 years ago). Anything that was left was sold off. My friend bought the frame, dahta plate, lube tag and paperwork from the lady that owned the car. I do have the doors from the car (not for sale) and some other Eldorado related stuff that I would keep for my Seville. It never hurts to have spare parts, just incase.. I did contemplate finding another convertible and cloning the car. I have enough Eldorado parts to build one including bucket seats but figured I would rather concentrate building my 59 coupe.
Unless you have a 1960 convertible body and lots of trim its not worth much.
Brian
Its a shame the rest of the car is gone, would have been a great color combo.
Might you have the SS relief molding that goes from the top of the right quarter panel to connect with the fin top molding? I need that for my '60 Biarritz.
Thanks Whit
seen a 59 Eldo frame FS on eBay in summer of 2015. Sold for $450 or about the same value as any clean Caddy frame. Need to have a complete car to be of merit
It is important to note that all four key ingredients necessary for creating a bonafide authentic 1960 Eldorado Biarritz are present, namely engine, frame, VIN tag, and of course the title.
*I am assuming all numbers match for all items - and I would suggest getting a build sheet from Allied Vaughan.
Frankly, these items should not be parted out; they should only be sold as a lot.
The finished car would not be considered a "clone" in the normal usage of the term.
This post is from October of 2014.
Whit must have been searching 1960 Eldorado looking for that molding he needs.
Anyway, what this guy has is everything for a 1960 Eldorado except the body.
But as we know, in order to make a real car out of this you would need a decent 1960 convertible, plus come up with the stainless trim, hubcaps, and interior.
By the time you reconstructed all of that you can just go buy one.
If someone has a so-so 62 series convert it makes his package valuable.
I had a 60 Seville chassis that I couldn't give away for free, so I don't think there's too much demand for frames.
Brian
You caught me Brian...I was searching '60 Eldorado looking for the stainless rear quarter window reveal molding,
Whit
Presumably the OP made his decision by now.
For discussion's sake, seeing as this topic has been reopened, I personally would not want to imagine what such a project would entail and there's little question but that it would be difficult to argue the sanity of such an undertaking from a purely economic standpoint.
That said however, I can easily see any number of restoration shops that might consider such a project under the right circumstances; ie: happening to have access to a pair of 59/60 GM buckets and/or a good donor car. Who knows what someone else has in mind?
In any case, the difference between a car with proper identifying parts and one that has been assembled from an assortment of non-matching numbers parts - I would certainly imagine - hold a lot more value to the restorer capable of tacking such a project, hence my suggestion the items not be separated.
Were I in the market for a ~ $100,000+ car - which an impeccably restored '60 Biarritz is easily worth, I'd sure want the body plate, frame and VIN to match and would certainly think it would matter to most anyone else.
Wonder what 60 Biarritzs are worth now, after the RM sale in Scottsdale with the $390K 59 Eldorado.
Seems to me that 60's have been valued at 60-70% of what 59's seem to bring.
Has anyone seen a factory original 60 Biarritz in Silver with Red buckets? Wonder if it could be a one -off
Just a question for thought, which do you think would be more valuable ? If you had a 60 Eldorado in a more common color would it be worth more to use this frame engine etc and the make it into this car or just do a color change with out the tag , frame and engine change ?
Matching cowl tag and VIN (with build sheet) will always be much more valuable in my opinion, if I am understanding your question correctly.
Ray, have you ever seen a Silver with Red 60 Biarritz? Wish there was a break down by colors and options.
Guess I would need every 60 Biarritz build sheet info....
Car would probably bring the most in the most eye catching color schemes, regardless of whether in agreement with the coded information on the data plate.
All ID markings, tags, present & matching (with one another) definitely more preferable than having NO tags or plates.
In CLC judging, no point deductions for color codes different than on car however there would be deduction for missing data plate.
Cliff, I have seen the gray with red combo but I it was on a bench seat car.
Its a cool color combo, not as special as say a special order car with s o on the tag but a cool combo . A friend of mine with a champagne 60 eldo was looking at the tags when I think they were on ebay a while back but decided against buying them , think they went for around 2 grand or so ?
Quote from: rwchatham CLC 21892 on February 07, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
Just a question for thought, which do you think would be more valuable ? If you had a 60 Eldorado in a more common color would it be worth more to use this frame engine etc and the make it into this car or just do a color change with out the tag , frame and engine change ?
Ray,
I had the thought to convert a low key color car into this one. That would be the only way to do it. Otherwise, where would you get all the parts?? I figured I better not mention it for fear of getting lots of flak!! But... here goes. A champagne car would be very fair game. Pissy greens, browns or even white would also be OK.
Bob
Bob, thats pretty funny you were not alone on your thoughts, champagne just does not do a 60 eldo justice.
Quote from: rwchatham CLC 21892 on February 07, 2016, 08:50:57 PM
... looking at the tags when I think they were on ebay a while back but decided against buying them , think they went for around 2 grand or so ?
A single data tag for a 1960 Biarritz sold for $2,000 on eBay? :o :o :o
Eric, no not a tag what sold was this frame and engine and tag combo. The O P had it listed on the internet for 3500 and I think it ended up being listed on ebay where the package sold for 2 to 3 thousand if I remember correctly.
Quote from: rwchatham CLC 21892 on February 08, 2016, 11:25:22 AM
Eric, no not a tag what sold was this frame and engine and tag combo. The O P had it listed on the internet for 3500 and I think it ended up being listed on ebay where the package sold for 2 to 3 thousand if I remember correctly.
Thanks Ray. That is exactly the range I would have expected all the items listed in the original post to have sold for as a lot which the OP was wise to do as opposed to selling separately.
I wonder what the package would have sold for if 1959...
I wonder what the package would have sold for if 1959...
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Eric, if it was a 59 package instead of a 60 I would wager it would sell for
10-20 K . That what makes restoring a a 60 Eldorado a tough choice. They cost just as much as a 59 to restore but only bring a fraction of what a 59 brings when it is time to sell. Ive done them both and can vouch a nice 59 will have people lined up where a 60 not so much. Personally it would have to be an S O tagged 60 for me to do another..
Quote from: rwchatham CLC 21892 on February 08, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
I wonder what the package would have sold for if 1959...
Eric, if it was a 59 package instead of a 60 I would wager it would sell for
10-20 K . That what makes restoring a a 60 Eldorado a tough choice. They cost just as much as a 59 to restore but only bring a fraction of what a 59 brings when it is time to sell. Ive done them both and can vouch a nice 59 will have people lined up where a 60 not so much. Personally it would have to be an S O tagged 60 for me to do another..
Ray...I've always said a '59 sells for twice the money & 5x as fast as a '60.
Eric & Ray
Thank you for taking me to school.
And here I sit with my Champaign '60 Barritz...you guys make me sad.
Whit
Here's a typical red interior ... but on a WHITE 1960 Eldo Biarritz.
Our friend "luvdg" (aka Marv Friedman) had a silver one for sale, many years ago, but I think it had matching silver trim; the small photo I have of that car does not show the interior well.
Putting together a car that starts with a vin place and a body tag is for the hustlers and flippers.
To me the original motor and frame have to be there for the car to be real.
Even if you use a different body shell, if it's not the original frame and engine it's a bit like Caitlyn Jenner.
Brian