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Title: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: JerRita on July 19, 2022, 09:12:33 PM
Our 84 Brougham D'elegance needs a new 4100 or swap. No one seems to rebuild these anymore saying the bearings aren't available. Any leads on a source for a rebuilder or a possible swap for another engine. Located in New York Thanks JeRita 84 Brougham at beach.jpg84 at bay.jpg 
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: 35-709 on July 19, 2022, 09:33:45 PM
Have you tried Jasper engines?  https://www.jasperengines.com/
or these folks ---
http://remanufactured-engines.com/Cadillac.htm

Trouble is, if you find a replacement engine, when all is said and done you still have an HT4100 engine.  Improvements have been made but not much can be done with an engine that is basically a flawed design.  Why so many HT4100 Cadillacs went to an early grave.
Best of luck.
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: V63 on July 20, 2022, 11:35:00 AM
It's a cost vs benefit situation. You could seek  a 1986-89 brougham 5.0 model that's almost identical, however a more reliable cast iron v8. Improved wood grain effects.  Your interior 'could' swap into these as well With a little determination.
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: JerRita on July 20, 2022, 08:37:42 PM
I tried Jasper and Powertrain neither makes the 4100 anymore JeRita
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: TJ Hopland on July 20, 2022, 08:56:22 PM
The little bit of poking around I just did it kinda looks like parts are still available unless its a deal where everyone gets them from the same place and just lists them as in stock since they historically were in stock at that one distributor.   I also thought that most of the internals were the same though 89 so that covers a lot of cars.

I have a fuzzy recollection of someone here talking about a smaller shop that still rebuilt these but I don't remember any details,  seems like it was east coast.  It was at least a year ago.   I think it was someone replying that they had got one rebuilt there and the thread was about an 87 Fleetwood? It was a younger guy trying to get his gradfathers car back on the road?  I don't remember ever hearing what the guy did,  I think as usual he got scared away by everyone telling him his grandfathers car was garbage.
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: smokuspollutus on July 20, 2022, 10:58:16 PM
All the bearings and wear parts are still available for a rebuild. Any machine shop that's been in business for more than 20 years (I think that's all of them) has probably done their fair share of them.
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: 79 Eldorado on July 21, 2022, 07:50:42 PM
The place which 35-709 added the link for, after the Jasper link, does list them. Here it is in case you missed it. And no I haven't tried them but I was impressed by the detail they added regarding the differences in each similar engine offering. I also thought it was nice that you don't need to be a detective to see all of their costs; everything is listed on the same page as the engine.

https://remanufactured.com/Cadillac_Engines.htm

Scott
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: JerRita on July 24, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
Thanks That company is out of business but the calls get forwarded to another in Indiana. They have the engines for about 3K plus shipping
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: 35-709 on July 24, 2022, 07:52:26 PM
 ;D   Buy two and pickle one of them for later!
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on July 25, 2022, 09:58:06 AM
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Quote from: JerRita on July 19, 2022, 09:12:33 PMOur 84 Brougham D'elegance needs a new 4100 or swap. No one seems to rebuild these anymore saying the bearings aren't available. Any leads on a source for a rebuilder or a possible swap for another engine. Located in New York Thanks JeRita 84 Brougham at beach.jpg84 at bay.jpg 

I have a set of NOS bearings I bought for a 1983. If interested let me know.
Title: Re: 1984 Brougham D elegance needs engine
Post by: JerRita on July 26, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
Eric thank you can you please email me so we can exchange phone numbers shadbelly4@aol.com JeRita