Code 93 'Lucerne Aqua' didn't sell at the dealers in late '69/early '70. So GM added more green, changed
the name to 'Lucerne Aqua Firemist' - but never changed the code number. They did this to Chevrolet a couple
of times.
2 original paint jobs, 3 pics of The Ark after PPG got done reproducing the ORIGINAL color 53 years later.
Yowza...
Where did you get that story from?
I ask because I have the 1970 Data Book and that colour, right from day-one of 1970 production was Lucerne Aqua Firemist? Indeed the brochure shows a car in Lucerne Aqua Firemist?
Quote from: Seville Life on June 21, 2023, 08:51:43 PMWhere did you get that story from?
I ask because I have the 1970 Data Book and that colour, right from day-one of 1970 production was Lucerne Aqua Firemist? Indeed the brochure shows a car in Lucerne Aqua Firemist?
"Story"? LMAO, information babe. I have the data book and dealer options book too, originals.
Code 93 was "Lucerne Aqua". The original paint chips are the color shown above. Back in the old days
brochure colors were always suspect, you think that O28S interior actually looked like that? LOL! It was in
early 1970 all the reprinted books were changed to "Lucerne Aqua Firemist", along with the paint chips,
I have those too. That color didn't sell, so GM changed it. And for dessert I met a friend in NY state who
actually worked as a mechanic in a Caddy dealership in 1970, and what a nightmare it was for their body shop
to touch up paint - with the wrong color.
Crucial to remember I'm surrounded by the best in the business when it comes to technical/authenticity, etc.
Would I have spent nearly $2000 for a box of paint and reducer if we weren't SURE it was the right color?
Please... LOL!
Also have the evidence, ON MY CAR, (data plate code 93) when it went in for full paint and body last winter.
Not only were the door jambs and inside of the trunk lid 'Lucerne Aqua', as they sanded down to metal they
found more 'lucerne aqua'. Someone had previously painted my car Home Depot Teal in an effort to reproduce to
the incorrect brochure color and the future R-M color chips that represented the new "Lucerna Aqua Firemist".
Note the blue as he's sanding down the right rear fender...
I even had the fabulous body shop cut out a piece of the inner trunk lid and send it to me to compare the old
ORIGINAL paint chips of Code 93 'Lucerne Aqua', it was a match. All of our test spray outs from PPG were done
from here. This also matched the door jambs that were a completely different color from the then current body
color, that photo is attached. This process took weeks. Fortunately they had plenty of body work to do in the
meantime. Note the color of the door jamb compared to the body (back door) in the last picture... Lucerne Aqua
vs 'Lucerne Aqua Firemist'.
My car was an early build 1970, born in November of 1969, with the original paint color 'Lucerne Aqua'. Do you
think someone at some point just repainted the car a random aqua blue? They would have removed the
original oil change sticker from the drivers' door jamb. ...its still there... 8) Note that sticker
in a lower original photo, I requested the body shop 'save' that sticker at all costs, they did, its a crucial part of the car's provenance for me. They hit this job out of the park.
Don't get me wrong, if I had the car painted green it would have been technically correct. But it would have
biblically/authentically, wrong for this car. This color, "Lucerne Aqua", was the color of my father's car.
I washed it enough times when I was 10...
And now you know you the rest of the story, etc.
That is fascinating. I have two '70 Data Books and neither show the first colour so must be later versions? It's a colour (both) that is stunning. I started my Cadillac life with 1970 cars.
I'm English, we were into Buicks, I was 14. This guy appears wanting engine parts for this mint, like new '70 Coupe deVille. It had arrived in England on New York plates and was confiscated by Her Majesty's Customs for not paying any import taxes? The guy drained the engine oil before they came to take it away and so bang it went. We ended up buying a car that running we could never have afforded.
There's something about them, every detail, the front, those rear lights, that steering wheel.
I assume the car in the picture is yours? Love the Dumbarton cloth trim. Paul
Quote from: Seville Life on June 26, 2023, 10:08:07 PMThat is fascinating. I have two '70 Data Books and neither show the first colour so must be later versions? It's a colour (both) that is stunning. I started my Cadillac life with 1970 cars.
I'm English, we were into Buicks, I was 14. This guy appears wanting engine parts for this mint, like new '70 Coupe deVille. It had arrived in England on New York plates and was confiscated by Her Majesty's Customs for not paying any import taxes? The guy drained the engine oil before they came to take it away and so bang it went. We ended up buying a car that running we could never have afforded.
There's something about them, every detail, the front, those rear lights, that steering wheel.
I assume the car in the picture is yours? Love the Dumbarton cloth trim. Paul
Dumbarton O28S is awesome - until you have to get the drivers seat reupholstered and know it won't match the
rest of the interior so you decide spending $15K to get your entire interior to match isn't worth the 3-5 points
and you're suddenly OK with the driver's seat not matching everything else. LOL!
Actually, the plot thickens - there were 3 names for Code 93. The first, was my color #93 "Lucerne Aqua".
Then came code 93 "Lucerne Aqua Poly", same color, same code, different name. Then came "Lucerne Aqua Firemist",
same code, different name, different color (more greenish).
Try owning my car
KNOWING it was the
ORIGINAL Code 93 'Lucerne Aqua'. Everyone wanted to paint my car green (Lucerne Aqua Firemist) when I
KNEW, when I could
SEE, this car was the original bluer aqua, JUST LIKE my dad's car. The evidence is in the photo's I posted. Fortunately a shop up the street from HVA, Garbitt Auto, had the ORIGINAL paint chip from late 69/early 70. My 70 car was a late 69 build. Dickie's father kept everything. It was Dickie who matched that color exactly with PPG, did a test spray out in his shop, and it matched my car. Dickie Garbitt was the only one who believed me since his father was a Cadillac guy and remembers that color being in his shop. Phew.
Paint color names were stated with and without the "Firemist" designation in official sources. After 1963, whenever a paint code was 9X (nineties) it was automatically a Firemist color (optional at extra cost). Prior to that, a 9X color was one of the standard "Eldorado" colors however even these could be ordered on any other model at extra charge.
In this era, "poly" was used to indicate polychromatic paint (metallic) that again has no significance to the color formulation for a given paint code. So regardless of whether code 93, Lucerne Aqua was described as "Firemist" or "Poly", it made no difference. "Poly" in this era is not to be confused with the later use of "poly" for polyurethane paint.
So is the picture of your driver's seat after reupholstering? SMS cloth? Would love to see a better picture of your car.
Eric - I never knew that about the use of the word 'poly' in paint descriptions. Polyurethane must have been an expensive choice, it was used on marine applications also?
Do you know when polyurethane was first used?
Quote from: Seville Life on June 28, 2023, 03:11:07 AMEric - I never knew that about the use of the word 'poly' in paint descriptions. Polyurethane must have been an expensive choice, it was used on marine applications also?
Do you know when polyurethane was first used?
The only materials I've seen "poly" appear is in color sample charts distributed by paint manufacturers, ie: R-M, Ditzler etc. Only the metallic colors are shown as "poly". All Firemist colors would naturally fall into that category.
I have no idea when polyurethane became an OEM finish applied by an auto manufacturer but I can say that acrylic lacquer was pretty much used in all regular production GM vehicles until 1984 and beyond that only for certain models. After 1990, lacquer was no longer used by GM.
Quote from: Seville Life on June 28, 2023, 03:11:07 AMSo is the picture of your driver's seat after reupholstering? SMS cloth? Would love to see a better picture of your car.
It hasn't been done yet, and I'm just doing the driver's seat. The rest of the seats are in great shape and have aged gracefully. What pictures do you want to see, in or out? When I get home later I'll respond.
Lucerne aqua was always a firemist color at extra cost
any change in color during model year production would have been noted in sevice bulletin to dealers
aftermarket paint charts do not apply to oem
period
Interior please. The Brougham interiors were great.
The bottom line is that color forumlation was never changed for a given paint code in a given model year as this would result in confusion and mismatching issues.
If a color was to be revised, a new paint code would be assigned with a new color name. There are a few instances in which a color was dropped mid-year and a new color introduced but those were rare.
Quote from: wrefakis on June 28, 2023, 10:13:06 AMLucerne aqua was always a firemist color at extra cost
any change in color during model year production would have been noted in sevice bulletin to dealers
aftermarket paint charts do not apply to oem
period
Yes it was a firemist color.
code 93 was referred to as "Lucerne Aqua", then "Lucerne Aqua Poly", and finally "Lucerne Aqua Firemist" in a different shade of aqua.
Period.
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on June 29, 2023, 08:38:21 AMThe bottom line is that color forumlation was never changed for a given paint code in a given model year as this would result in confusion and mismatching issues.
If a color was to be revised, a new paint code would be assigned with a new color name. There are a few instances in which a color was dropped mid-year and a new color introduced but those were rare.
Usually you're fairly accurate with your opinions Eric, not this time.
When the car tells you its story physically, when mechanics who worked in dealerships in 1970
agree to the differences, you have to admit you are wrong. It was a very short run of Code 93 in the
color The Ark was painted from the factory in. The color didn't sell, so it was changed to something
'greener'.
I also worked for GM, Cadillac division back then, pretty sure the paint info on the trunk tag also noted the brand of the paint used, may be some differences in shade there.
Quote from: Dave Shepherd on June 29, 2023, 10:53:45 AMI also worked for GM, Cadillac division back then, pretty sure the paint info on the trunk tag also noted the brand of the paint used, may be some differences in shade there.
Data plate on the car shows Code 93 for paint.
I had the body shop physically cut out a piece of the trunk, the area least likely to be affected over the years,
and matched the paint to that. Which also matched the door jambs, which also matched the paint they stripped down
to before they hit metal in the body shop. Those photos are attached. The research I did on this color took weeks, others are welcome to go down the same rabbit hole as I did. The color of my car is correct for its birth date of November 1969. Other 1970's built later in the 1st quarter and beyond will be a greener tint. Do you really think I'd spend $2000 for a gallon and a half of paint and gallon and a half of reducer for the "wrong color"? LMAO!
No
lets assume a 70 sedan came in in early september 69
placed in demo service
sold in march 1970
needs a touch up prior to delivery
factory changed paint color formula
how would you order correct paint??
answer you would have been sent a service bulletin to that effect
where did cadillac produce ant document indicating changes in code 93?
there were colors added and discontinued,so the code 93 changes must appear in factory documents
Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on June 29, 2023, 10:46:13 AMUsually you're fairly accurate with your opinions Eric, not this time.
When the car tells you its story physically, when mechanics who worked in dealerships in 1970
agree to the differences, you have to admit you are wrong. It was a very short run of Code 93 in the
color The Ark was painted from the factory in. The color didn't sell, so it was changed to something
'greener'.
If I had a dollar every time a factory worker or dealership worker with decades of experience told me something factually inaccurate, I could buy your car. Memories fade and something that begins with a grain of truth gets garbled into something completely different as it passes from one individual to the next or something gets misinterpreted. Three other people here have also said essenitally the same: The color in question was the same on day one as it was throughout production, end of story. You're free to believe what you wish.
Unintentional production variations from different spray guns by different workers on different days in different plant areas are another matter.
Here's an example that may help explain where the confusion is coming from. This sample from the 1979 showroom guide is labeled "Slate" only but it's actually Slate Firemist.
That's why the code is important for at least a starting point, I remember the cosmetic company Avon pink, code 00, extra gallon in the trunk.
Code "00" denotes Special Order item, ie: not used in regular production. Was used for interior (TRIM) and/or paint color.
"00" code items could be anything.
1970 non model year or non cadillac color only show a - where paint code would be
there was a post from a frequent poster regarding the rare 70 fleetwood with leather only one out of 10 built that way
asked for his sorce 'automotive milestones web site" of corse all they list are total built
askes again "clc member provided"
total nonesense
59 Eldo 99 buckets seats
sure except that i have all the records and its around 38% of production
and last but not lease a running change during model year production not disclosed to dealers,whom in the normal course of vehicle make ready would require this to properly make a spot repair on affect vehicle
so since these days facts do not matter,you can run with any of these bs stories,but if anyone chooses to supply the color formula change service advisory from cadillac prior to 8/70 your entire trip to gn 24 is on me !
sorry for typos and 70 fleetwood posting was on facebook
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on June 29, 2023, 03:49:41 PMCode "00" denotes Special Order item, ie: not used in regular production. Was used for interior (TRIM) and/or paint color.
"00" code items could be anything.
Agreed
Honest to God I think wrefakis and Eric are in a duel for the "Jeffrey Toobin CLC forum award."
Here's the deal kids, the color The Ark is painted now is the color it left Clark Street with in November of 1969.
There's empirical evidence ON the car, (photo's supplied) there's empirical evidence from those who saw it BRAND NEW. Data plate is code 93 Lucerne Aqua ordered in a 'firemist' color. We don't care about the often wrong 'documentation' from GM or anywhere else. GM was notorious for changing colors but not codes at that time, ask the old Chevy, Buick, Pontiac people. They even changed almost a dozen Cadillac color paint codes, but not the paint. They eliminated a color in early 70 and replaced it, fortunately changing colors and codes. The Ark's color is correct and authentic to the car.
Dickie Garbitt's father saved everything, including the ORIGINAL paint chip, its attached. I'd love to bring that with me to the Nationals but its part of his father's heritage at the his shop, I'll understand if he declines. But he remembers working on those cars in THAT color, they went nuts trying to match it.
Here's a page from the orignal paint discussion...
https://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=167549.msg514436#msg514436
Here's the entire 10 page thread if there's nothing good on PPV...
https://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=167549.0
And it gets worse; a member of my local club, Phil Cobb, was a tech in 1970 at an upstate NY Caddy dealer, he remembers the nightmares the body shop had trying to match that paint. I'll be seeing Phil this Saturday at our July 4th cruise in/cook out for the local club. Phil has given me several 'fixes' for The Ark... "Yeah that was an issue in 1970 when they were new, do this..." Perfect.
And it gets worser; the Owner of the "Norwood Automobile Company" was there the day James Hallet (Durgin Park restaurant owner) picked up The Ark, BRAND NEW in 1969, he remembers that color. He gave me all the literature he had left from the NAC when he saw me at Endicott, where The Ark was given "Best Of Show" for the New England Region last year.
And it gets even worserer; James Hallet's youngest granddaughter runs the Hallet Funeral Home here in town, I live around the corner from Ansel HALLETT Road, who knew the Halletts were such a significant Cape Cod family? I brought the car there last year and showed it to her - she remembered grampy's car, the color, vividly.
So while the keyboard commando's were doing "their thing" I was out there all day driving The Ark. Down to Wood's Hole in heavy, hot traffic with the AC cranked and ice cold. Beautiful cruise around downtown and the ferry docks. Took the long way home through the most serene, beautiful places I've ever seen on the Cape. And The Ark came home perfectly fine with a slightly warm engine hot were it needed to be but unperturbed by over 3 hours of heat, traffic and constant AC use. Another cruise tomorrow to Provincetown in what will be nightmare heavy, hot traffic. I'm thinking a lobster roll at the Lobster Pot consumed at the park beach side will be nice. Michael calls these "confidence cruises", he may be right, his tweak to lower the coolant pressure is sure working. There won't be any traffic coming home so a good beating of the Reid's Automotive 472 is in order. #DriveItLikeYouStoleIt - M. Amster That trip tomorrow will complete my confidence build. We're off to northern Maine/Canadian border in August, including a car show at my old base NAS Brunswick. If I can hop from Salon Maine directly to my driveway, I can probably make the trip to Gettysburg in 1 hop. We are TOURING DIVISION after all, right? Trailer queens need not apply, they have all they can do to get off the trailer and park. I wonder how many primary cars will throw on radials and try to enter 'touring'. We called that "sand bagging" when I was shooting USPSA professionally. Let's hope the judges are keen enough to see that, bounce them back into Primary with the proper deductions for their tires of course.
I recommend you guys spend more time driving your cars than being keyboard commando's. The time is coming, soon, when you'll be lying in a hospital bed and wishing you had driven and enjoyed your cars more. Oh well. Time for bed, I can taste that lobster roll now and I'm really looking forward to Friday's cruise, today's was just off the charts magical. What FUN this car is. #TheArk #ArkNRoll #Blessed
All we have are a bunch of anecdotal accounts/recollections of this, that and the other. The difficulty in matching metallic paint to original applied finishes has bedeviled body shops ever since they appeared so nothing unusual there.
Any mid-production changes would have been documented in the Cadillac Serviceman shop manual. Until that is provided, the argument is all hat and no cattle.
your paint chart is aftermarket dated 1971
i will review all factor paint bulletins and post
i do not need to drive mine , i have had over 100 of them and this is the only really good one out of bunch since my lucerne double white in 1972
you post and aftermarket paint vendor chip chart like that has anything to do with factory changes during model year production
do you even own a copy of 1970 service bulletins?
LOL! Eric, I'm not arguing, I've already proven. Which of your Caddy's did you drive today or plan for this weekend? Which of your cars will you be bringing to the Nationals for expert review?
wrefrakis I do have reprints of the service bulletins, the omission of that color change matches service bulletins from my old Corvette owners, as well as Buick and Pontiac. And if I was you, I'd spend what free time you have left DRIVING your cars, time grows short. If you're going to research anything, why not do a search for the color 'aqua', any search engine. This assumes you still have critical thinking skills.
EXCELLENT! The weather guessers have upgraded this weekend's forecast! Not only is my clubs' July 4th barbq ON for Saturday night, the show in Falmouth (wasn't I just there?) is now ON for Sunday!
Jeez this car is even more funner to drive with blistering heat, freezing air conditioning - and a working radio! YAY!
#DriveYourCars #DriveItLikeYouStoleIt
Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on June 30, 2023, 11:31:00 AMLOL! Eric, I'm not arguing, I've already proven.
You haven't posted any factory documentation from GM of the alleged change therefore nothing has been proven.
I haven't yet decided what I'm taking to the next GN but I'll be entering at least one. Depends on whether I can find another driver/transporter. I drive my cars every so often conditions permitting etc but I enjoy them 85% as much just admiring them parked in garage. Possession alone is enough for me. YMMV.
a- i was waiting for the insults to kick in
b-all the bs in the world will not explain why EVERY running change save for this one is in service updates
c- i am bringing my LTC to gettsyburgh also =ltc = lincoln town car
d- take my $ produce proof of running change in color and your gn is on me
e- again please maintain respect as i have
I opened the 70-75 Cadillac Master Parts list disc and took a screen shot of the 1970 exterior paint codes/colors. It is pasted below. In a section after the paint/color area for interior and exterior, there was a brief section listing known running changes with Serviceman references. This was for 70-75 model years and this paint code discussion was not addressed there.
I'm not buying or selling, but the documentation shows a single color for #93 in 1970 and it could be the one used on Laurie's car.
Creating a paint formula is a complex affair. The paint used to be sprayed for the entire model year is most probably never done in one batch, but in several. It's always possible that some variations relative to the proportions happened, modifying the aspect of the paint.
I had once a rented car which front clip had definitively a slightly different color than the rest of the car, and the car had no accident repair.
Absolutely. Variances were a regular occurrence for most colors throughout production, especially metallics. Front fender/hood body panels were painted separately at a different stations before being installed at the body plant which are often off-color from the rest of the car aft of the cowl. How well they matched was a matter of luck.
Correction to post #25 here - it wasn't the GM of the Norwood Automobile Company who handed James Hallett the keys to The Ark, IN THAT COLOR, when purchased brand new - it was the OWNER of the Norwood Automobile Company.
(I just got an email, LOL! SORRY!) But hey, WTF does the owner of a Caddy dealership know, right?
Eric you and wrefarkis have owned Caddy dealerships, you guys can testify...
Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on June 30, 2023, 10:58:40 PMBut hey, WTF does the owner of a Caddy dealership know, right?
Eric you and wrefarkis have owned Caddy dealerships, you guys can testify...
Where it written that being a Cadillac dealer makes him the absolute encyclopedia on all things Cadillac? I wasn't a Cadillac dealer but I grew up in the car business and knew several Cadillac dealership owner-operators. One of them was a close personal friend of my father's. We used to go on hunting & fishing trips together. Believe me when I tell you, the Cadillac dealers I knew had far more important things on their minds than doting over every scrap of minutia as we do here. In specific points, I could run rings around any of these guys, even as a teen who often had their facts wrong. So spare me the "infallible Cadillac dealer" nonsense.
Quote from: Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621 on July 01, 2023, 08:02:31 AMWhere it written that being a Cadillac dealer makes him the absolute encyclopedia on all things Cadillac? I wasn't a Cadillac dealer but I grew up in the car business and knew several Cadillac dealership owner-operators. One of them was a close personal friend of my father's. We used to go on hunting & fishing trips together. Believe me when I tell you, the Cadillac dealers I knew had far more important things on their minds than doting over every scrap of minutia as we do here. In specific points, I could run rings around any of these guys, even as a teen who often had their facts wrong. So spare me the "infallible Cadillac dealer" nonsense.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure Eric, especially when you were the #1 Caddy dealer in New England at the time and selling a new car to one of the highest profile businessmen in Boston. LOL! Hey, I'm getting ready to leave now for 1 of 3 shows in 2 days, flying the Cadillac flag and bringing back memories to the public. What are you doing today; hunting, fishing or doting? LOL! Spend your time wisely, there's not much left. ;)
Often wrong; never in doubt and always something to prove. ::)
Guys - regarding painting hoods and fenders (and lamp monitor housing/grill parts, these were painted next to each other, I have pictures of this post '65 when the new paint show was built on top of the Final Assembly building. It's a fact though that the entire body was painted at Fleetwood and we have to ask did they use the same supplier everyday/week/month that Cadillac did?
How much paint did each plant get through every day? Yikes that must have been a lot of paint and as someone here has already said when men (not machines) spray cars it's about distance, trigger use and the speed of the pass. I spray and I can tell you for example it's easy to make silver different shades. Any rich metallic colour must have been subject to possible slight variation.
While I agree in principle with you that these discussed changes SHOULD be in The Serviceman I know of some pretty big changes with my '78 Elegante that are either not mentioned or mentioned months later? The alteration to the exterior window surround I'm still trying to work out.
when you win 'best in show' with a worn out interior,no doubt the crowd will buy any twighlight zone tale you put out there
see you at GN 24 my last show
I though "poly" was a Ditzler brand or name then PPG which bought Diztler. So the poly is just a paint company name.
I just looked at some Dupont color chips and they say metallic where Ditzler would say poly for the same year and color, so I think my memory is correct.
Quote from: wrefakis on July 01, 2023, 10:43:25 AMwhen you win 'best in show' with a worn out interior,no doubt the crowd will buy any twighlight zone tale you put out there
see you at GN 24 my last show
LMAO! We did that last year at the New England Regional Cadillac & LaSalle Club show. "Best In Show"
Hope you make it to next year, honestly.
Come on people. Please keep personal remarks out of this Forum.
Nobody is perfect, and everybody has their own opinions as to what is perfect.
A number of these posts in this thread are sailing very close to the wind, and in this case, the wind is the deletion and sinking into the oblivion.
Remember the Forum Rules, and might be a good time to re-read them, as some personal remarks are getting way too personal.
Bruce. >:D
HEY! What 'color' IS this car? LOL!
3 pics of Code 93 "Lucerne Aqua Firemist"
3 pics of Code 93 "Lucerne Aqua"
3 pics of Code 93 "Lucerne Aqua Poly"
Same car
Same camera
Different lighting
Its green! NO its blue! NO, its both! LOL!
And a HUGE hangover and what ever else coming from me to the man who went through every picture I
ever posted of The Ark here and on Facebook since it was painted SHOWING the stupid expensive 3 time
mix of PPG paint and 4 time mix of pearls of said PPG paint that created the perfect Code 93
"call it whatever you want Lucerne Aqua Poly Firemist".
I saw the facilities manager put a fresh box of diapers in the storage room down the hall to the left...
Hey Laurie,
I don't care what color they call it, I'd just call it gorgeous and let it go at that. It looks great! I wish mine was just half as nice.
Rick
Quote from: Cadman-iac on July 04, 2023, 05:38:10 AMHey Laurie,
I don't care what color they call it, I'd just call it gorgeous and let it go at that. It looks great! I wish mine was just half as nice.
Rick
Rick, God Bless and Happy 4th! Norma Jean is a ROCK STAR!
Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on July 04, 2023, 12:28:19 PMRick, God Bless and Happy 4th! Norma Jean is a ROCK STAR!
Yeah, don't I wish,lol!!!
Thanks, and I hope you are having a great time today too.
Quote from: Cadman-iac on July 04, 2023, 04:56:05 PMYeah, don't I wish,lol!!!
Thanks, and I hope you are having a great time today too.
Rick if I was having any more fun it would be illegal. 8)
Quote from: Cape Cod Fleetwood on July 04, 2023, 11:45:29 PMRick if I was having any more fun it would be illegal. 8)
Are you sure it's not? Lol!!
Glad you are getting out and enjoying that car.
One day I hope to do the same.
Rick