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Title: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 27, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
  Can anyone tell me the proper length of a 59-60 oil dipstick tube, maybe one of you have one out of the car already, sitting on the shelf. Mine is broke but is 18 in. long/
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 27, 2024, 04:10:03 PM
Chips Caddies on eBay can sell you a new one. I bought one from him for my 390
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 27, 2024, 04:20:48 PM
 Do you still have your old one that you can measure?
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 27, 2024, 04:23:03 PM
Yes but it is buried behind the spray booth I built. That is where my old part salvage box is hidden away. I looked to see if I can get to it. But no I cannot.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 27, 2024, 04:43:03 PM
 Thanks for the effort Chewii
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 27, 2024, 07:43:17 PM
Ok so Im thinkin,,,maybe if someone has a block, in the garage, you could measure the tube without taking it out, from the top to base of the block.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 27, 2024, 07:53:06 PM
I can get that. The part that goes through the block is about 6 inches. The install instructions from Chips says you need to possible bend the portion going into the oil pan to make sure that it clears the crank shaft. He gives a lot of caution on trying to bend the tube there and between the exhaust manifold. It can easily brake at the block.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 27, 2024, 07:56:08 PM
About exactly 10 inches coming out of the block.

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Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 27, 2024, 10:24:30 PM
  Thanks Chewii, a friend of mine just called me and said his is 8/34,,,now I dont no wat to do, maybe some others will chime in on this. 1 3/4 in dif could mean a qt or 2,,,,mmmm
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Lexi on February 27, 2024, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: Clewisiii on February 27, 2024, 04:10:03 PMChips Caddies on eBay can sell you a new one. I bought one from him for my 390

I got the diptube from Chip for my car. Good guy to deal with. Don't know what the dipstick is like but his tube repro was spot on and of high quality. Clay/Lexi
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Roger Zimmermann on February 28, 2024, 02:45:18 AM
I have one from Chip, not yet delivered to the lazy customer. The tube is emerging from the ridge over 220 mm (8.66"); total tube'length is 369  mm (14.5"). The dip stick has a length from the "washer" to the end over 560 mm (22").
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: David Greenburg on February 28, 2024, 03:09:03 AM
I'm guessing that 60 and 61 are the same, but I'll check my '60 on Wednesday and report back.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Roger Zimmermann on February 28, 2024, 04:07:10 AM
No: 1961 is not the same tube as 1960; it has another part number. Same for the dip stick.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: The Tassie Devil(le) on February 28, 2024, 04:17:46 AM
The '61 and '62 engine has a 1" shallower sump than the '60, because the engine sits lower in the chassis because of the body change.

Bruce. >:D 
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Roger Zimmermann on February 28, 2024, 04:53:06 AM
This has no influence on the tube: 1959, 1960, 1962 to 1964 have the same tube. 1961 has a different tube, why? one more wonder at GM!
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 28, 2024, 09:41:23 AM
 Roger, I think ur right on all measurements. Chewii, maybe remeasure yours let us no. Other wise u will get a false reading.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: David Greenburg on February 28, 2024, 03:48:48 PM
I think I can put this to rest, as I have a '60 and '61 parked next to each other. The '60 tube sticks up 8 3/4 inches from the block. The '61 tube sticks up further, about 10 inches.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 28, 2024, 04:20:17 PM
   Is it possible to make a new tube, looks easy enough. Just  14 1/2 in copper 7/16 piece of pipe and slide it in having 8 3/4 sticking out.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 28, 2024, 07:13:37 PM
Ok how about this. Between 1960 and 1961 what is the difference in the dipsticks themselves. Measurement from top to the top of fill line.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 28, 2024, 07:16:07 PM
For 61 both my original and the replacement from Chips measures about 18 7/8 inch from top to fill line.

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Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 28, 2024, 07:20:56 PM
Yes 61 is different from 60. Do you have that guys phone# to order the tube?  I dont have  flea bay
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 28, 2024, 07:31:09 PM
I have an email. I have meet him twice. I stopped by in person to buy my dipstick and tube. His listing currently says that he has been unable to source 7/16 steel tub so he has substituted a 7/16 aluminum. But contact him to see what he has.

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Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 28, 2024, 07:32:44 PM
He is also the only person I believe who sells these retainers for the grill assembly.

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Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on February 28, 2024, 07:57:31 PM
Thanks buddy
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Carfreak on February 28, 2024, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Lexi on February 27, 2024, 11:18:30 PMGood guy to deal with. Don't know what the dipstick is like but his tube repro was spot on and of high quality.


Chip previously worked at a high-level Classics restoration shop that reproduced Duesenberg parts, etc. 

Yes, he is a very good guy and very talented. 
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Lexi on February 29, 2024, 12:22:55 PM
Hmmm... That would go a long way in explaining his attention to detail and the passion he obviously has for the vintage car world. Clay/Lexi
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on February 29, 2024, 01:25:36 PM
Well if he does not work there anymore I dont mind sharing some pictures. I think they did mostly mechanical restorations. They would have small productions runs done just to get one part for a customers car. then they would try to sell the rest over time.

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They had Duesenberg's, Packard's, and Cadillac V16s in there. The black car on the lift in the background was a v 16. I asked him to talk me through how the Cadillac V 16s distributors worked. He basically said the timing was killer. IMG_20200205_102150951.jpg
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Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: David Greenburg on February 29, 2024, 02:12:56 PM
'60 is 17 7/8" from the hilt to the full line an 22" total length from the hilt to the tip.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Carfreak on February 29, 2024, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: Clewisiii on February 29, 2024, 01:25:36 PMWell if he does not work there anymore I dont mind sharing some pictures.

That was Brian Joseph's shop in Troy Michigan; he retired and the business is closed.  They did full restorations on all types of Classics, Exotics and other unique (expen$ive) oddities.  Motor City Region toured there a couple times along with the conveniently located (next door) TWO BUILDINGS FULL of the Terry Adderly Collection which included over a dozen Duesenbers, several Bugattis, of course a few Cadillacs, Lincolns, Packards, Imperials, Hispano Suiza, Thomas Flyer, Cords, Auburns, bakers dozen of 'double hulled'(?) wood boats, Detroit Electric, Pierce, Peerless, etc. 

Unfortunately as far as I know, the Adderly Collection has been dispersed since the owner's passing a few years ago.  Fortunately quite a few of his cars were donated to the Gilmore Museum and are on display next door to the CLC Museum.  Pretty convenient!!! 
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on March 02, 2024, 10:44:19 AM
  Hey Chewii, when you installed your new tube, did you install it from the top? Also did it just slide in by hand or did you need to tap it in with hammer or something. Was it a snug fit. The reason I ask is,I tryed to make one, and when I installed it in from the top it just slid in and was very loose, I could wiggle it around, very sloppy, It wont work like this.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on March 02, 2024, 12:29:03 PM
I had to lightly hammer mine in place. I installed from the top since there was a flange in the tube that would seat to the block. I used a light gasket sealant on the tube before I installed it. His install instructions remind you to turn over the engine with dipstick and tube in place. You might need to slightly bend the tube out of the way. This way you can verify it will clear the crankshaft.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: 60eldo on March 02, 2024, 12:41:25 PM
Did you need to bend yours? If so in what direction.
Title: Re: 1959-60 Oil dipstick
Post by: Clewisiii on March 02, 2024, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: 60eldo on March 02, 2024, 12:41:25 PMDid you need to bend yours? If so in what direction.
Only very slightly to the side in the oil pan. . The bending on the top to clear the exhaust manifold was harder.