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59 fuel pumps and vapor lock

Started by Cadillac Jack 82, June 21, 2025, 02:02:46 AM

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Cadillac Jack 82


So today Shelley s***t the bed.  She ran fine all day until I was trying to go home after lunch.  She died on the freeway and even 6 hours later, refuses to start.  Fuel bowl is full but carb is dry.  Initially I thought it was vapor lock as it was 110 today.  Doesnt seem to be the case.  She'll run with starter fluid but wont keep running.  The fuel pump is one of those aftermarket OEM ones from overseas.  Did she literally just eat another pump after 9 months or am I missing something?
Tim

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The Tassie Devil(le)

One thing you could try is to run a jumper lead from the battery Positive terminal to the Coil Positive, to "Hot-wire", and see if she runs from there.

If it does, then you have an electrical problem.

Bruce. >:D
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Cadillac Jack 82

Quote from: The Tassie Devil(le) on June 21, 2025, 02:16:24 AMOne thing you could try is to run a jumper lead from the battery Positive terminal to the Coil Positive, to "Hot-wire", and see if she runs from there.

If it does, then you have an electrical problem.

Bruce. >:D

Good idea but its fuel delivery.  Had two of those aftermarket pumps fail within months.  Something about QC in some countries doesn't exist
Tim

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1934 Harley VD 74ci "Rosie"
1948 Buick 76S "Lillian"
1950 Cadillac CDV "Doris"
1959 Cadillac CDV "Shelley"

Past Cars

1937 LaSalle Coupe
1955 Cadillac CDV
1957 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe
1964 Cadillac SDV

and a bunch of others...

Roger Zimmermann

Those aftermarket fuel pumps are notorious to fail ater a short time. Usually one of the internal valves is getting loose, interrupting the fuel delivery. There are many posts in this forum relating this issue.
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Cadillac Jack 82


Well time to get a decent one then.  Ebay doesnt have the one vendor who used to sell the rebuilt AC ones.  Does anyone have a source for one?
Tim

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1934 Harley VD 74ci "Rosie"
1948 Buick 76S "Lillian"
1950 Cadillac CDV "Doris"
1959 Cadillac CDV "Shelley"

Past Cars

1937 LaSalle Coupe
1955 Cadillac CDV
1957 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe
1964 Cadillac SDV

and a bunch of others...

Roger Zimmermann

Take the cover out from the pump. You will immediately see is if one valve is bad. Do a search because my vocabulary is insufficient to correctly explain the issue and how to repair it.
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1956 Eldorado Biarritz
1957 Eldorado Brougham (sold)
1972 Coupe de Ville
2011 DTS
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Michael Petti

I'd start by making sure you are getting gas from the tank. Next check the fuel filter to make sure it's not clogged. If all ok move on to the pump. These aftermarket fuel pumps are all junk. Disconnect the fuel line exiting the pump and crank it. Bet there is little or no gas coming out. I went through 4 of them in 12 months of driving. I was able to bring one back to life to finish a driving season but only provided 3 pounds of pressure and you need about 5ish to run right. I cemented the check valve back into the casting with Loctite (fuel resistant) and cut new gaskets for the pump as the originals were paper thin. The casting itself was very soft and the screws holding the 2 halves together were pulling out. Replaced them with small nuts, bolts and lock washers from Ace Hardware. The best solutions are to install an electric fuel pump, or as I did, found an original A/C pump casting and had it rebuilt by Arthur Gould now known as A.G. Rebuilders. No problems after that. Cost was not that great, and turnaround time was good.

TJ Hopland

What do you mean by bowl is full but carb is dry?   That implies that the fuel pump and float is working but there is some other issue in the carb that isn't letting fuel get into the airflow.
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Clewisiii

1959 is a 4622 pump. AG Rebuilders is the best rebuilder. And they had one for sale on their Ebay site a while ago.
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60eldo

 I have 3 new spares in my trunk. I had the same issue, all junk. They last for about 9 months to a year.
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David Greenburg

Egge Machine also rebuilds, and may sell outright, the original pumps. And eBay usually has some Carter and AC pumps.
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PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192

I had an Airtex new pump on my 54 and it stopped working. I took it apart and both valves had gone hard. I replaced both the valves and it worked fine. The usual problem is the valves are not staked in properly and come loose. The diaphragm was fine. I've since rebuilt an AC original that Clay kindly gave me. Phil

Michael Petti

H0as ana
Quote from: PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192 on June 22, 2025, 04:06:53 AMI had an Airtex new pump on my 54 and it stopped working. I took it apart and both valves had gone hard. I replaced both the valves and it worked fine. The usual problem is the valves are not staked in properly and come loose. The diaphragm was fine. I've since rebuilt an AC original that Clay kindly gave me. Phil
I'm curous how long the rebuilt Airtex lasted.

PHIL WHYTE CLC 14192

Quote from: Michael Petti on June 22, 2025, 06:07:43 AMH0as ana I'm curous how long the rebuilt Airtex lasted.
It didn't fail after that but I replaced it with the rebuilt original all the same.