Biggest Ebay FANTASY yet

[Bob Hoffmann CLC#96]

Its that 59/60 Cadillac conv. Ebay # 4558526828. I think this was discussed some time ago on the board. Can someone post the final consenses(if there was one). It always amazes me that no matter what color a car was when its built, it always ends up resale red! Bob

[Porter 21919]

Bob,

Looks like he finally hooked his whale, sometimes he has to troll for six months or more. When you go fishing you have to put in your time.

What a country, PT Barnum would be proud. LOL

Porter

[Joe Abernathy #17524]

Im always leery of these "Private listings" on eBay.  It would be pretty easy to bid your stuff up to make it look like there is some interest.  Funny that the reserve is not met at $150k for a questionable car!

[Jay Molinari]

is this an ebay scam?  cnbc as a show that last an hour and half oabout ebay and fraud.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4558526828 TARGET=_blank>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4558526828

[Dave MacGregor #18998]

Its baaaack!  This car has been listed at least one time before and has been discussed quite a bit here during its last eBay posting.  From what I recall the last time it was posted, the story behind it has even more "details" than ever before.

[Yann Saunders, CLC #12588]

This guy is for REAL.  I have been in touch with him. One of the cars he claims to have sold in the last couple of months was the object of one of those well-known eBay scams where a $100,000 car is offered for sale a short while later with a Buy-it-Now price of $10,000!

I have queried the validity of his "repetitive" auction listings and have gotten a rude reply telling me to BID or to mind my own business.

This guy has a wild imagination.  Obviously he has been in contact (as I have too) with Harley Earls grandson, Richard.  With all due respect, Richard has access to less information on Cadillac than our own Musweum and Research Center.

IMHO, the eBay vendor "luvdg" is trying to build up a history of fake high bids for his car(s)to subsequently try to justify his ridiculous reserve price(s).

According to a previous sale attempt, the car currently on sale began as a custom model built specially by Cadillac for the 1959 Motorama !!!  The tale has changed but is still just as imaginative or imaginary!

Caution: stay clear !

[Dave MacGregor #18998]

Found the old thread for you.

Heres the link to one of the first discussions on this very same Eldorado when it appeared earlier.

http://www.cadillaclasalleclub.org/cgi-bin/user/forum.cgi?select=2Fclc2Fclcgenl2F62789 TARGET=_blank>http://www.cadillaclasalleclub.org/cgi-bin/user/forum.cgi?select=2Fclc2Fclcgenl2F62789

[Dave MacGregor #18998]

Sorry, ... Couldnt get link to work.  (It wont allow me to properly copy and paste it.)  Anyhow, all I did was a search of the forums for Motorama and 1959.  Came up with all of the old discussions we had on the car.

[Paul]

I emailed the seller about this car when it first appeared and I asked him some probing questions to satisfy my curiosity. I also said that I was a serious collector (which I am, and have owned 15 classic Cadillacs including a current rare 1959 Biarritz)...

The seller, luvdg told me what a fantastic and upright citizen  he was (wow! A free personal reference from himself - as if I asked) and then he bluntly informed me that unless I have a million dollars to buy the car, not to bother contacting him again.

Fine form, for a fellw who is serious about selling his car...and also evasive and nervous when an apparent knowledgable collector asks him pertinent questions on the car.

By the way my main questioning was about the cars colour code. The car at the time listed was re-sale red. However he claimed at THAT time that the car was originally factory BLUE. However the car spec sheet that HE supplied on the website showed that the car was actually factory WHITE....

Then if you check his LATEST listing of the car, he pulls up a small historic photo (possibly from the book on MORORAMAs) and asks the question about the faintly detailed car in the background...."Here is a photograph of the Cadillac design studio which was taken back in 1959...In the background are visible some of the existing 1959 models while on a platform on the left is what we think could possibly be this car...and the caption under the photograph leads us to believe we could be correct...it says "Photos of ultra modern 59 truck & bus designs and future styled Cadillac"

The problem for the credibilty of the seller is....that he initially said that the car was originally BLUE....but someone had re-sprayed the car red (not original colour by his own admission), but his own supplied colour spec paperwork shows the car as originally white...but the car in the photo he supplies ("...we think could possibly be this car"...) is actually......RED!!!!?

What is it?

He cant even make up his mind. Maybe he is leaving his options open so that the buyer can have the preferred original factory colour the new buyer wants?

Then he has in large type face..."THE PAINT COLOUR MYSTERY".

The only mystery here is why cant he stick to one story and one colour???!!!!

Having been caught out as fiddling with the factory colour (which leads onto to wonder what other original specs he has fiddled with during his restoration), he has decided that his best way out is to cloud the car into a mystery...nothing mysterious about it.

We know exactly what is going on!

Buyer Beware!!!

[Randall McGrew CLC # 17963]

Paul,  I would have to say, as much as I love these cars, just from the sellers initial response I would not trust him or her as far as I can throw them...and I can throw pretty far.  Case in point :  when a person immediately, and unexpectedly defends themselves with their good morality etc., my initial thought is "the lady doth protest too much!   Just like someone when asked if the car has any current problems, looks up to the left and says "No!  Its been wonderful!"  Look out.  
Then to say "if you dont have a million.... well forget it.  What an a$$.

What a shame the car is in his/her hands.  My bet is it is not even an Eldorado but if it were, god knows what improvements have been made.
So sad that these cars have become so valuable.  

Even the lowly 56 is becoming expensive.  (I say lowly because in the collectors market they are seen as anticlimatic to the 55 and less collectable even though they are the benchmark year before the renewed design of the 57  which is also a benchmark year.)