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What the heck is is it?

Started by joeinbcs, October 21, 2024, 07:04:05 AM

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joeinbcs

Getting to know the '68 DeVille convertible I just got, I came across a device with a lever mounted to the driver side of the firewall, near the data tag.  It has a hard brake line going to the master cylinder, and a green wire spliced into the cluster just to the side of the brake booster.  I've checked with all my car buddies and nobody seems to have a clue.  Anybody here know?  Thanks!  Joe
Joe Northrop
9633 Whispering Ridge
College Station, TX  77845
joenorthrop@yahoo.com
979-324-6432

1967 Eldorado, Atlantis Blue Firemist (slick top), Blue leather.

Cadman-iac

  Joe,

 At first glance it looks like an old mechanical electric trailer brake controller, but that's not where one would normally be mounted. Typically it would be either on the steering column or under the dash on either side of the column so that the driver would have easy access to it when needed.
 And it would have more than just one wire going to it.
 When you press the brake pedal, does the lever move at all?
 It will be interesting to hear what it's supposed to be.

Rick
CLC# 32373
1956 Coupe Deville A/C car "Norma Jean"

 Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

 Remember,  no matter where you go, there you are.

dn010

It's a Kelsey-Hayes electric brake controller. You can tell by the shape of the sticker that is gone. Definitely a strange installation location but perhaps the installer chose that spot so the brake line wouldn't have to come through the firewall and they figured they'd just leave it set to automatic.
-----Dan B.
'57 Cadillac Sedan Deville 6239DX
'81 DMC DeLorean

billyoung

Also there should be evidence on the cars frame of where a trailer hitch was mounted and also maybe two holes down low on the rear bumper center face bar unless it also has been replaced.
Age 69, Living in Gods waiting room ( Florida ) Owned over 40 Old Cadillac's from 1955's to 1990 Brougham's. Currently own a 1968 Cadillac DeVille Convertible and a 1992 Cadillac 5.7 Brougham.

dn010

-----Dan B.
'57 Cadillac Sedan Deville 6239DX
'81 DMC DeLorean

joeinbcs

Thanks, guys.  Mystery solved...partially.  There's no evidence of a trailer mount at the rear of the car.  Is there any other reason this thing might have been installed?
Joe Northrop
9633 Whispering Ridge
College Station, TX  77845
joenorthrop@yahoo.com
979-324-6432

1967 Eldorado, Atlantis Blue Firemist (slick top), Blue leather.

Cadman-iac

Quote from: joeinbcs on October 21, 2024, 10:14:00 AMThanks, guys.  Mystery solved...partially.  There's no evidence of a trailer mount at the rear of the car.  Is there any other reason this thing might have been installed?

If not used for its intended purpose, the only thing that comes to mind is maybe they used it as something to control the brake lights. Is the turn signal switch operable? The switch in a tilt/telescopic column is now as rare as hens teeth, so possibly a work-around for this? It would require two wires though for that to work.

Rick
CLC# 32373
1956 Coupe Deville A/C car "Norma Jean"

 Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

 Remember,  no matter where you go, there you are.

bctexas

Can you show what electrical harness it is connected to, and tell us what color wire it is spliced into?  Brake light switch is an interesting thought, but it sure seems like an expensive way to solve that problem vs the typical screw-in switch.  Interesting indeed!
1965 CDV
1970 SDV

Big Fins

I was going to say a line lock to the front brakes for staging at the tree!  8)  ;D
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

dn010

I was going to suggest that perhaps an owner down the line didn't want the hitch and went back to stock, but that would make no sense to remove a hitch but keep the brake controller. It definitely sounds like it was installed to do something it was probably not meant to do, as a workaround for some other problem.
-----Dan B.
'57 Cadillac Sedan Deville 6239DX
'81 DMC DeLorean

Cadman-iac

Quote from: Big Fins on October 21, 2024, 01:47:54 PMI was going to say a line lock to the front brakes for staging at the tree!  8)  ;D

 I thought about this, but the problem is that the unit doesn't lock in place, as soon as you release the lever it returns to the "off" position.

   Rick
CLC# 32373
1956 Coupe Deville A/C car "Norma Jean"

 Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

 Remember,  no matter where you go, there you are.

Big Fins

I was just being funny.

Actually seeing what harness it's hooked into will give you a better idea as previously noted. But, no clue why anyone would install a manually operated valve under the hood where it couldn't be controlled by the driver.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

joeinbcs

So, it's a "one family" car.  The car was owned by the father of the seller.  He had a collection of about 400 cars of which this was part.  Did most of its miles in the first few years of ownership, then a lot of time in a museum until the old man's death, and the son's liquidation of most of the cars.
Here's a pic of the green wire connecting to the bundle of wires at the firewall.
Thanks to everyone for the interest, Joe
Joe Northrop
9633 Whispering Ridge
College Station, TX  77845
joenorthrop@yahoo.com
979-324-6432

1967 Eldorado, Atlantis Blue Firemist (slick top), Blue leather.

bctexas

#13
Hi Joe!  It appears from the picture that the green wire from the brake controller is connected to the fat red wire in that bundle.  Is that correct?

edit - I don't have a '67 wiring diagram, but I do have a '68 Eldorado diagram in dad's old '68 shop manual.  That red wire is most likely the main 12v power feed from the hot post on the starter to the ignition switch - at least that is what it is on the '68.
1965 CDV
1970 SDV

Cadman-iac

Quote from: bctexas on October 22, 2024, 01:22:33 PMHi Joe!  It appears from the picture that the green wire from the brake controller is connected to the fat red wire in that bundle.  Is that correct?

edit - I don't have a '67 wiring diagram, but I do have a '68 Eldorado diagram in dad's old '68 shop manual.  That red wire is most likely the main 12v power feed from the hot post on the starter to the ignition switch - at least that is what it is on the '68.

 Yeah, if this was intended to be used as it was meant to be, there should be at least two, maybe three more wires going to the unit.
 One would be the 12V power source, which I would think is what we're seeing here, but also one from the actual stop light switch to turn the trailer lights on, and one going to the trailer for the electric brakes.

 I'm wondering if someone had just cut out the other wires for reasons unknown.

 Rick
CLC# 32373
1956 Coupe Deville A/C car "Norma Jean"

 Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

 Remember,  no matter where you go, there you are.