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1974 Cadillac Eldorado Transmission Shifting Problem

Started by motard, September 10, 2024, 06:22:26 PM

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motard

My 1974 Cadillac Eldorado all a sudden will not shift out of 1st gear. It is full of fluid. What could be some of the causes?
1936 Packard Model 1402 Limo
1937 Packard 115 Convertible Coupe
1940 Chevrolet Master Deluxe Business Coupe
1947 Lincoln Continental Convertible
1947 Diamond T 2 Ton Truck
1948 Chrysler Town and Country Convertible Woodie Coupe
1956 Mark II Continental
1974 Eldorado Convertible
1983 Mercedes 380SL Convertible

TJ Hopland

There is a 2 wire switch on the drivers side of the carburetor linkage, this is the 'kickdown' circuit.  If this is stuck on it won't wanna shift.  If you just unplug it that will disable the function.  If it then shifts normally during normal driving you found the problem.  It activates when you put it to the floor so for many classics you won't even know its not working if its just a bad switch. 

This vintage Eldo is also very hard on one of the transmission linkage pivot bushings so make sure you are carefully counting the clicks and are for sure in D.   If you are just going by the pointer you could just be in the wrong gear.  If this is the issue its important to get it fixed because it may not reliably go into and stay in park and you could have the car get away from you.       
73 Eldo convert w/FiTech EFI, over 30 years of ownership and counting
Somewhat recently deceased daily drivers, 80 Eldo Diesel & 90 CDV
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

Big Fins

Looking down the side, next to the transmission dipstick, you will see a cap held on by a spring clip. Inside of this is the governor. A sheared off gear or broken spring may also be the cause.

I've heard from many people that this cap is held on by the spring clip because the governor so often goes bad. I have no experience in this short of just removing the speedometer cable to lube it. Just a little info before some shop tries to sell you a transmission.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

J. Skelly

Jim Skelly, CLC #15958
1968 Eldorado
1977 Eldorado Biarritz
1971 Eldorado (RIP)

motard

Guys thanks for your assistance. TJ Hopland I checked out the kickdown switch per your instructions and it was the problem. I disconnected the wires to it and the car shifted just fine. I will buy another switch. Thanks for saving me again. (You also had the correct answer when my blower motor would not shut off a few months ago.)

1936 Packard Model 1402 Limo
1937 Packard 115 Convertible Coupe
1940 Chevrolet Master Deluxe Business Coupe
1947 Lincoln Continental Convertible
1947 Diamond T 2 Ton Truck
1948 Chrysler Town and Country Convertible Woodie Coupe
1956 Mark II Continental
1974 Eldorado Convertible
1983 Mercedes 380SL Convertible

Big Fins

Wondering if you tripped the switch by pressing the pedal to the floor to set the choke for a cold start.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

TJ Hopland

I didn't ask and you didn't say how hard you tried to get it to shift but its been my experience that if its the vacuum most people can and will push it hard enough that it shifts.  When the electric is stuck on I'm not sure that it can, if it can its a few R's over where you would think the engine would explode so most people won't try and push it that far.

I think those switches can be hard to find but unless you do a lot of highway driving and passing you may never know its not there so you can still likely enjoy the car while you are waiting for a reasonable deal on a replacement.  Make sure you tie and or tape the wire up out of the way so it doesn't get in the linkage or melt into the intake.  That's a + voltage signal and its tied to something else, AC clutch? So if it shorts and blows the fuse you loose other things.  

Probably 90% of the time I have driven 90% of the 400/425 equipped cars that system hasn't been working for one reason or another.  I would imagine they were reasonably reliable when new but all forms of the switches I have ever seen have some to a lot of plastic in them that just didn't hold up over the years.   

73 Eldo convert w/FiTech EFI, over 30 years of ownership and counting
Somewhat recently deceased daily drivers, 80 Eldo Diesel & 90 CDV
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

Big Fins

It's usually the Bakelite arm that breaks off from stabbing the throttle too hard.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

35-709

#8
I have drilled out the little brass rivets and taken those switches apart, cleaned up the contacts and returned them to service.  Be very careful of the little arm on that switch, if that gets broken (easy to do), then you are for sure looking for another switch.
Been too long to remember what I held it together with once reassembled, maybe 3/32 pop rivets.  The hole in the bottom of the switch is to adjust it once reinstalled (with a #42 wire gauge drill bit), the procedure is in the shop manual --- Page 7-44 in my '73 manual.
There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Mental Illness".  Dave Barry.   I walk that line.
1935 Cadillac Sedan resto-mod "Big Red"
1973 Cadillac Caribou - now back home as of 9/2024
1950 Jaguar Mark V Saloon resto-mod - Sold
1942 Cadillac 6269 - Sold
1968 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible - Sold
1950 Packard 2dr. Club Sedan
1935 Glenn Pray - Auburn Boattail Speedster, Gen. 2

TJ Hopland

Are they sprung so if the arm breaks they are stuck on WOT?
73 Eldo convert w/FiTech EFI, over 30 years of ownership and counting
Somewhat recently deceased daily drivers, 80 Eldo Diesel & 90 CDV
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason

Big Fins

They are sprung, but it returns to the closed throttle position if that arm breaks.
Current:
1976 Eldorado Convertible in Crystal Blue Fire Mist with white interior and top. (Misty Blue)

Past and much missed:
1977 Brougham de Elegance
1976 Eldorado Convertible
1972 Fleetwood Brougham
1971 Sedan de Ville
1970 de Ville Convertible
1969 Fleetwood Brougham
1969 Sedan de Ville
1959 Sedan deVille

Jeff Rosansky CLC #28373

For what it's worth, the kick down switch on my 70 Deville has been broken for about 7 years now...... And she has no trouble shifting, or passing other cars.
Not that I do that of course (Just in case someone from Hagarty is on the forums😉).
Jeff Rose
CLC #28373
1970 Coupe DeVille (Big Red)
1955 Series 62 (Baby Blue)
Dad's new 1979 Coupe DeVille

TJ Hopland

I was thinking broken arm would would be the not triggered position.   The one I took apart or had fallen apart, don't remember the year or model a little nub broke off that the spring acts against so the spring just unwound. 
73 Eldo convert w/FiTech EFI, over 30 years of ownership and counting
Somewhat recently deceased daily drivers, 80 Eldo Diesel & 90 CDV
And other assorted stuff I keep buying for some reason