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Help need for repairing / rebuilding 40 spoke Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheel. Please

Started by 62 driver, October 16, 2013, 08:51:58 PM

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Bob Hoffmann CLC#96

Hi Dave,
This is a perfect example of why I don't like the PM system. I never got a notice I had one!
Please send me a direct email at bobscads@comcast.net & I'll provide the info you requested.
Thanks, Bob
1968 Eldorado slick top ,white/red interior
2015 Holden Ute HSV Maloo red/black interior.
             
Too much fun is more than you can have.

62 driver

It's been a year when I came up with the idea of 40 spokes on my 62.  I have mastered the truing of these rim's.  Just took the car out with the new setup and did 75 MPH and as smooth as glass.  Now off the the Friday night car show. I will write up a closing statement next week but for now I am on to new things!  :)







Dave Schneider,  CLC #27889

TonyZappone #2624

The car looks great.  You should be very proud to have the patience and perseverance to accomplish this feat.
Tony Zappone, #2624
1936 Pierce-Arrow conv sed
1947 Cadillac Conv cpe
1958 Cadillac conv
2016 Cadillac CT6 Platinum
2022 Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle

Dan LeBlanc

Dave, the wheels look great on your car.  I don't think one could pull it off on a sedan but it gives your coupe an elegant sporty look.  Agreed, though.  It's now time to get out and enjoy.
Dan LeBlanc
1977 Lincoln Continental Town Car

62 driver

With 4 wheels done and on the road I can report that the car runs great down the freeway at 70+.  Most wire wheel restorer don't want you to know how it done.  I did purchased the wheel for $50. each intending on driving them as is.  I made a close inspection and found a few bent and missing spokes.  All were the short spokes.  Short spokes seem to be the weak link in 1954-56 Kelsey Hayes Cadillac wire wheels. I had some extra short spoke and tried to do a replacement of the bad spokes. You can not replace the short spokes unless you remove all the spokes as they lock in place.  It was not possible to replace just one spoke alone. I then started asking around on how to relace the wheel once I replaced the bad short spoke. I decided to make jig after trying to relace one with out a jig. With the jig I was able to lace the wheel and be close to the .065 max limits. I thought about the weak link of the short steel spokes and that my steel spokes had some rust. I had custom polished stainless spokes made from Dayton Wheels at $2.00 each.  New chrome steel nipple $1.25.  Buchanans Spoke & Rim bid $3.25 for SS spokes and $1.75 per nipple. When I received the SS spokes, the head had a (b) stamped in it.  I am going to assume that Dayton Wheels had Buchanans make them for me and passed on their price + profits. Chroming the old steel spoke is about $3.00 each.  I have a 0 offset and all 4 spokes in a series were of difference size in lengths.  I found the best rim with spoke lengths and sent the 4 difference sizes to Dayton for samples to match the length.  I use Kroil oil to unloosen the spoke from the nipples. I was able to unloosen half the nipples and the rest I had to cut with a grinder.  Once apart it is very important to inspect the spoke hole's in the center hub before chroming.  If the rim had been ran with loose spoke it will elongate the hole and the spoke head will come right thru.  After spending the money on the spokes and nipples I wanted to Crome the inter and outer hubs.  The first place wanted $250 per wheel and the second wanted $275 per wheel.  Living in SoCal I found Linco (714) 635-2800 that wanted $100 per wheel.  Rolled the dice and they did a outstanding job. I saw lot of car and motor cycle parts they were doing. I had them remove the dents and polish my center stainless steel caps as well.  They turned out new looking.  So new someone ask me if they were repops.  The best article I read was from SPOKE WHEEL BUILDING & TRUING by Mark Barnes.   It was straight forward and understandable.  To assemble the wheel I use copper anti seizing compound. Being careful to put the right length of spoke in the right hole. Tighten them finger tight in the jig. I used a dial indicator as I made adjustment to the spokes per the above article.  Bringing them under .025.  Not wanting to chase my tail I am happy with that. The DOT set max of .045 for radial runout and lateral runout on new car wheels.  The DOT sets a max .065 for radial and lateral runout for repaired wheels.  The 1962 Cadillac Shop Manual (page 4-10) set .050 max for radial runout and .045 for lateral runout. Now to tighten them up follow the above article on how tighten without changing the runout. A spoke wrench is a must.  Buchanan's sells spokes wrenches (.297).  Then you must grind it to fit the nipples.  The nipples are odd sizes. Are far as torquing them, I have had a few difference in value.  One company said 50-60 INCH pounds.  The other said 80-90 INCH pounds. And another just said make them tight. One wheel smith said I should hit the nipple with a hammer as I tighten them up to be sure they are seated. He said doing that you will not need to adjust them after running them the first 100 miles as some recommend. I used a inch pounds torque wrench to get a feel of 70 inch pounds. After all tighten is done you need to seal all nipples with 100% silicone on the inside of outer rim.  Once the silicone is dry, take plumber's tape and wrap the inside twice. You can find plumber's tape at Home Depot.  It is 2" wide and 1/8" thick of black rubber. Next would be to mount tires with tubes.  I then guested with the spoke wrench.  Thanks for all the kind words as I reported on this project.


Dave Schneider,  CLC #27889