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'54 series 62 gear shift lever broken/missing spring?

Started by Julien Abrahams, August 14, 2023, 05:06:45 AM

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Julien Abrahams

Since I purchased the car last year, I noticed that the shift lever is quite "loose": it can move backward and forward (towards dash and towards me) without any spring pressure to push it towards the dash (like in my '67). So I think there should be a spring in there somewhere which has either moved or broken.
So my question is: how can I fix that? I don't know where the spring actually is or how I can get to it. I have seen pictures of it on ebay and in the glove compartment there is a piece that looks like that. If the part on ebay is correct, it looks like a bent piece of spring steel, not like a coil spring. In the shop manuel I could not find it.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

Nickl

1954 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe

Cadillac Jack 82


To replace you'll have to pull the steering wheel but outside of that its an easy fix.
Tim

CLC Member #30850

1934 Harley VD 74ci "Rosie"
1948 Buick 76S "Lillian"
1950 Cadillac CDV "Doris"
1959 Cadillac CDV "Shelley"

Past Cars

1937 LaSalle Coupe
1955 Cadillac CDV
1957 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe
1964 Cadillac SDV

and a bunch of others...

walt chomosh #23510

Julien,
  We have a CLC member who has a stash of those springs. If interested let me know and I'll dig out his name and contact....walt...tulsa,ok

Jay Friedman

My friend the Caddy Wizard (Art Gardner) and I wrote an article on how to obtain and replace the broken spring in the steering column that causes shift lever "floppiness".  I don't know how to post it to this forum, but if you email me at jaysfriedman(at)yahoo.com, I'll reply with the article attached.  As Cadillac Jack mentioned, it's not particularly difficult.
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

CadillacFanBob

@Jay Friedman is your how-to article listed in the Self-Starter technical section?

Bob
Frankfort, Illinois

Nickl

Quote from: Jay Friedman on August 14, 2023, 12:14:01 PMMy friend the Caddy Wizard (Art Gardner) and I wrote an article on how to obtain and replace the broken spring in the steering column that causes shift lever "floppiness".  I don't know how to post it to this forum, but if you email me at jaysfriedman(at)yahoo.com, I'll reply with the article attached.  As Cadillac Jack mentioned, it's not particularly difficult.

Would be interested in the article too
1954 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe

Jay Friedman

Quote from: CadillacFanBob on August 14, 2023, 12:34:14 PM@Jay Friedman is your how-to article listed in the Self-Starter technical section?

Bob
I looked and didn't find it. 
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Nickl

Quote from: Jay Friedman on August 14, 2023, 12:14:01 PMMy friend the Caddy Wizard (Art Gardner) and I wrote an article on how to obtain and replace the broken spring in the steering column that causes shift lever "floppiness".  I don't know how to post it to this forum, but if you email me at jaysfriedman(at)yahoo.com, I'll reply with the article attached.  As Cadillac Jack mentioned, it's not particularly difficult.

Wanted to send you a mail but I always received a notice that the mail Addy is not correct
1954 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe

Julien Abrahams

@ Walt: I searched the glovebox only to find a cable clip that when you look at it quickly, it resembles the gear shift lever spring. But it was not...
If you could send me his contact details, that would be great.
@jAY: I got your article by mail. Thank you, it is very helpfull.

Once I get the spring, I can then replace it.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

Julien Abrahams

@ Walt: Do you have the contact details from that CLC member who has these springs please?
Then I can send him an e-mail and order the spring. Thanks in advance.
Regards,

Julien Abrahams.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

Jay Friedman

Quote from: Julien Abrahams on August 21, 2023, 08:14:37 AM@ Walt: Do you have the contact details from that CLC member who has these springs please?
Then I can send him an e-mail and order the spring. Thanks in advance.
Regards,

Julien Abrahams.

I only have his address and phone number, as written in the article on replacing the spring.  I looked in the CLC directory and there is no email address listed for him.
1949 Cadillac 6107 Club Coupe
1932 Ford V8 Phaeton (restored, not a rod).  Sold
Decatur, Georgia
CLC # 3210, since 1984
"If it won't work, get a bigger hammer."

Julien Abrahams

While looking on e-bay I found one of those springs for abour $22,- (excluding 25 dollars in shipping).
After doing a Google search I found this thread here on the forum: https://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=125025.0

It describes the dimensions of the spring and that it is just made of simple springsteel. Then I found this local company who make spring steel and asked if I could by a small plate (about 2 inches long and 1 inch wide) to make the spring myself. The company was very willing to help and they will send me a piece of springsteel for free! I ordered the piece in 0,1 mm thick as I figured that this spring is not under heavy tension (as it only has to push the shift lever back). Once it arrives, I can make the spring myself using the dimensions described in the post stated above.
I will keep you guys posted.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

Nickl

Quote from: Julien Abrahams on August 23, 2023, 05:12:15 AMWhile looking on e-bay I found one of those springs for abour $22,- (excluding 25 dollars in shipping).
After doing a Google search I found this thread here on the forum: https://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=125025.0

It describes the dimensions of the spring and that it is just made of simple springsteel. Then I found this local company who make spring steel and asked if I could by a small plate (about 2 inches long and 1 inch wide) to make the spring myself. The company was very willing to help and they will send me a piece of springsteel for free! I ordered the piece in 0,1 mm thick as I figured that this spring is not under heavy tension (as it only has to push the shift lever back). Once it arrives, I can make the spring myself using the dimensions described in the post stated above.
I will keep you guys posted.

I have 3 of these as spare part in my garage.
Can make you a drawing of the exact dimenson if you want
1954 Cadillac Series 62 Coupe

Julien Abrahams

It certainly would not hurt.
I guess the dimensions that are stated in the post are straightforward. The total length of the small plate is 48 mm and it is 19mm wide. Once bent, over a 10 mm rod, the distance between the two openings of the "u" (the spread) is 25 mm.
A drawing would be great.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

CadillacFanBob

All great information here, I will look for a business that has parts shipped on pallets and get the old strapping from them to make my own.

Bob
Frankfort, Illinois

Julien Abrahams

Well, the envelope with 3 pieces of spring steel arrived (instead of 1). I think they are samples, but I am very happy that they sent 3. 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3 mm thick. The 0.1 is really thin so I think 0.2 or 0.3 will work best. Hopefully the old spring is still in there and then it is also easy to compare and measure.
Perhapse that is a nice job for over the weekend ;).
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

CadillacFanBob

#17
I received my NOS shift lever spring today from Joe Alcorn

It measures: 51mm long X 20mm Wide X 1.47mm Thick

Bob

EDIT: Spring opening 23mm
Frankfort, Illinois

Julien Abrahams

Those measurements seem about right. I made my own yesterday based on the dimensions of the old broken spring. The original spring measures about 19 mm wide, 50 mm long but it is 0,7 mm thick. The spring steel that I ordered was 0,3 mm thick (I ordered the spring steel before taking it apart). The description I got from Jay was very helpfull and with a few adaptations it is a relatively easy repair which can done in about an hour. 
The original is 0,7 mm thick and the one I have in there now is 0,3 mm thick, so it has less resistance. I might change it in the future to the 0,7 mm thick one because now it is not as strong as I would like. I think the steering wheel has been taken off in the past. The gear indicator scraped passed the letters (loosening and moving the hold down screw for the pointer just a small bit fixed that) and the the horn ring would rattle a bit.
When I put everything back together, the horn contact made contact with the inner inner side of the splined shaft. So I put a small piece of plastic hose (about 1/2 long) over it. Now everything is back together and working nicely. The horn ring also does not rattle anymore and the shift lever works nicely.
I do have some pointers if people are intereseted and plan on doing this job in the (near future). So if anyone is interested, I can post a message here describing some tips and tricks.
1951 Buick Eight special
1954 Cadillac series 62
1967 Cadillac Sedan De Ville HT
1969 Austin Healey Sprite
1979 Opel Kadett

Caddy Wizard

Here is the article Jay Friedman wrote (with my input) many years ago.  The particular car was a 1949 Cadillac, but the same principles apply to a 1954 Cadillac.
Art Gardner


1955 S60 Fleetwood sedan (now under cosmetic resto)
1955 S62 Coupe (future show car? 2/3 done)
1949 S6107 Fastback Coupe -- back home with me after 15 yrs apart