Is this this message Kosher NOT at all. SPAMMER

[59-in-pieces]

Got this message after I requested in Want to Buy Parts for some hub caps.
With are new-fanged who can do what changes, the following doesn't seem right.
No offense to the sender if it is Kosher.

felixcart740

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CLC Number: 214

Hello, are you still looking for the above item you can get in contact with James on jamesvergas@outlook.com if its still available.

What should we look for if we receive a message to determine if it is Kosher and without what you point out are not there - then pass.

How do we report a message that doesn't pass the smell test, and what do you do to protect the rest of us.

[Eric DeVirgilis CLC# 8621]

I searched the member's profile linked below.

https://forums.cadillaclasalle.club/index.php?action=profile;u=26186

The main red flag is registered on the forum 11-11-2024. Also the low CLC #214 which would have been issued in the late 1950s is another.

[dn010]

1)If James Vergas had hubcaps to sell, he'd be the one contacting you.
2)0 posts and a bogus CLC#.
3)Sentence isn't formed correctly, should be: "Hello, are you still looking for the above item? If so,..." It is overall poorly written.
4)Fails to identify what you're looking for, "item" is generic so they can just copy/paste the same thing over and over again into different PMs.
5)Most people will respond to the ad and say "I have some hub caps, I will PM you" and then proceed to PM you with a logical, well written message regarding what they have and what shape they're in. Any time I've seen someone refer someone to another person, it is always a person that is well known to our community.

Just to add one more thing, a few times while I was bored at work, I actually did text those numbers that were PM'd to me or email address that were emailed to me (and clearly knew it was someone trying to rip me off). I typically say "I'm reaching out about the part for sale." and ironically, every time, I'd get a "Who is this, how did you get my number!" response. I'd go further to say "I was told to contact this number about the part for $500." It would finally click with them and they'd respond with "oh yes the part, its in great shape!"
Typically, after I tell them "Yes, I know it is in great shape, let me know how you'd like to pay that $500 and I'll ship out the part for free!" - they stop responding to me....

[Carfreak]

Logged into the CLC website (different from this Discussion Forum) and there is a CLC Member #214.

His CLC Membership Profile in the Directory indicates he lives in LA area and joined the CLC in 1993. I think this is a default date as we joined in 1988 and our Member Profile shows the same Join Date.

Checking my 1991-1992 CLC Directory the member is showing at the same address. 

As part of the process of only allowing active CLC members to post on the Forum and send messages, Moderators verify their identity from CLC membership records. 

Regarding the CLC number being issued in the late 1950s Eric, that is not necessarily correct. At one point Mary Lou Evans, Membership Secretary when we joined, was reassigning membership numbers.

Perhaps this member doesn't type very well or use technology much. You might try reaching out to felixcart and ask for a little more info such as how he knows the person he is suggesting.

[Big Fins]

Personally, I still wouldn't trust it unless I saw the product and made the deal in person. Too many what if's for my liking in that message.

[59-in-pieces]

Thanks for all the comments, especially pointing out the items that don't sound quite true - flags.

Also Carfreak brings up good points and particularly technical issues which in my mind should have been reviewed by whoever has that responsibility - our system - Moderators - Webmaster before this got into our system, prompting this dialogue.

Frankly, I don't think it is my job or any other member to need to vet these kinds of iffy posts.
Maybe our system isn't smart enough or has enough "what if - then" filters - I don't know but it should.

And at the end of the day, I can go onto eBay or Google to look for such caps, but it was my goal to stay in the Forum family to buy things - keep the cash in the family.

Have fun,
Steve B.

[Carfreak]

Well yeah Fins, I was just attempting to validate some of the questions regarding the Member who sent the Message. 

[Big Fins]

That's fine. But, I still don't trust the replying party.

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

Got this message after I requested in Want to Buy Parts for some hub caps.
With are new-fanged who can do what changes, the following doesn't seem right.
No offense to the sender if it is Kosher.

felixcart740

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Activated Forum User
Posts: 0
Logged
CLC Number: 214

Hello, are you still looking for the above item you can get in contact with James on jamesvergas@outlook.com if its still available.

What should we look for if we receive a message to determine if it is Kosher and without what you point out are not there - then pass.

How do we report a message that doesn't pass the smell test, and what do you do to protect the rest of us.

G'day Steve,

How did you receive the initial contact?   Via an email or a PM?

Thanks,

Bruce.

[smokuspollutus]

Got the same message for my WTB ad. I promptly forwarded my personal and financial info and am waiting for my parts-for just a few dollars more he was able to arrange for delivery via stork which is faster and more secure than the post office. If you can believe it I was his 100th customer and as such I won the title to the Brooklyn Brisge-score!

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

Got the same message for my WTB ad. I promptly forwarded my personal and financial info and am waiting for my parts-for just a few dollars more he was able to arrange for delivery via stork which is faster and more secure than the post office. If you can believe it I was his 100th customer and as such I won the title to the Brooklyn Brisge-score!

My question is, how did you receive the message?   Via personal email? or PM through the Forum?

Thanks,

Bruce.

[smokuspollutus]

My question is, how did you receive the message?   Via personal email? or PM through the Forum?

Thanks,

Bruce.

Hi Bruce,

I received via PM on this site.

Is there a "Report User" feature on this site?

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

Thanks for that.

I will look into it further.   But, was it sent from felixcart740?   Or another Member?

Bruce.

[Clewisiii]

One for me to through Forum messeging.

[z3skybolt]

I received the same message regarding a post that I made over a year ago. It came as an email but is also under my forum account.  Obviously a scammer!  Please block!!

Bob R.

[Carfreak]

I spoke to the CLC Member #214 and he confirmed at age 86 he has never used a computer nor does he even text from his phone. 

Sounds like someone used a fake CLC Member Number to create a profile pretending to be a CLC member on this Discussion Forum.

[smokuspollutus]

Thanks for that.

I will look into it further.   But, was it sent from felixcart740?   Or another Member?

Bruce.

Yes, felixcart740.

Question, given the registration changes, is there some kind of proof-positive authentication that someone verifies they are the person they're claiming to be?

Another question, is the actual member #214 actually named Felix?

[Carfreak]

Another question, is the actual member #214 actually named Felix?

I can answer that question, NO CLC Member #214's name is NOT Felix.

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

I spoke to the CLC Member #214 and he confirmed at age 86 he has never used a computer nor does he even text from his phone. 

Sounds like someone used a fake CLC Member Number to create a profile pretending to be a CLC member on this Discussion Forum.

G'day Carfreak,

Many thanks for that phone call.

The offender has now been banned from the Forum, along with his 8 additional IP addresses.

So, everyone please be aware that there should be no correspondence between felixcart740, as he should not be able to post any future PM's from this Forum.

Bruce.

[59-in-pieces]

Bruce,

Late response, but yes through the PM system.

The question still is - why didn't our system or reviewers pick this up and kill it tout suite, before all the back-and-forth.

Have fun,
Steve B.