Antoinette Blue?

[Joe Bento #20081]

Howdy!

Just finished painting the firewall of my 40 series 72, and am trying to bring it back to the original color as noted on the firewall tag: Antoinette Blue (Paint code 2.

It looks rather green to me.

Is this normal?  I got the paint from Tower.

Thanks!

Joe

[Paul Ayres #5640]

Joe - Antoinette Blue is a very dark blue, almost black.  It definitely should not look green.  Perhaps your paint source gave you Cavern Green instead of Antoinette Blue!  It is almost as dark. Paul Ayres

[Doug Houston]

Paul is right. The original formula for Antionette Blue consisted of a large percentage of Chinese Blue and almost the same amount of black, with a "touch" of white. There was no yellow in the color to give it a green appearance.

I had a gallon of it made up by one of the Rinshed-Mason factory guys, and he told me what the mix was all about. The color is not metallic.

Almost forgot. That color was known as "Classic Blue" until about 1937, when the name changed, but R-Ms color number didnt.

[Joe Bento #20081]

Thanks for the replies folks.

Shoot.  What do I do now?  I have an improperly painted firewall!

I bought the paint from Tower paint, and trusted they had the proper codes and such. Says right on the label "Antoinette Blue".

#$percent^&*()_  

[Lou CLC 19028]

What kind and brand of paint was it? Most jobbers put the formula on the inside of the label. Peel it off and see if its there. Post the formula here and I can tell for sure what color they made you. Heres a link to the color card for 1940 maybe this will help.

 http://autocolorlibrary.com/cgi-bin/search/searchpic.pl?1940-cadillac-pg01.jpg TARGET=_blank>http://autocolorlibrary.com/cgi-bin/search/searchpic.pl?1940-cadillac-pg01.jpg

[Joe Bento #20081]

It was Tower paint.  They seemed to be the go to people when it comes to fomulating the older colors.  If there is another source for this color, I would love to hear it.

I will check the label on Saturday when I go out to work on the car.  I hate the thought of having to sandblast the firewall to repaint it.  GRRRRRR...

[Porter]

Joe,

Chill out, you can sand/scuff that down and reshoot the correct color, no need for stripping down to bare steel again.

I always like to buy a small quantity and spray a test panel to insure the correct color, I have had your problem before, even with a later model car and a formula they can goof that up too.

No big deal,it happens.

Porter

[Joe Bento #20081]

Thanks Porter.  That is a big relief.

I didnt do the painting.  A mechanic buddy of mine who has been helping me did this in my absence.  He wasnt sure it was right, but to color was so dark (almost black) that he just wasnt sure.

Im chilled.  Frustrated, but chilled.  

Thanks you very much.

Joe

[Porter]

Joe,

You can repaint a car twice on top of factory paint, after that it is too thick and must be stripped to bare steel.

I have one repaint on my 66 CDV and my 67 CDV Evil Sister Rat Rod has very bad original paint and in need of much repair, patch panels, etc. It is all getting stripped to bare steel, epoxy primer and white zero rust enamel for moisture protection, until the custom topcoat gets applied.

Pictures at : http://www.modifiedcadillac.org/, TARGET=_blank>http://www.modifiedcadillac.org/, where the nutcases hang out, the CLC rejects, we accomodate any and all car topics, just dont expect political or factory correctness.

What kind of paint did you use ? At any rate you can scuff sand that down with some white 320 paper and respray, typical for a solid color 400 grit is good but you need 600 grit for metallic colors.

LOL,

Porter , of "Porters Redneck Autobody & Cadillac Emporium" fame

[Rusty Shepherd CLC 6397]

So...youre chillistrated?

[Rhino 21150]

Ummm.... Isnt a 1940 model supposed to be painted black? I cant find the thread about firewall colors, maybe on another forum?

[Porter]

Rusty,

"So...youre chillistrated?"

Beats me, we do the best we can under the circumstances.

Porter LOL

[Joe Bento #20081]

Howdy!

1) Paint code on the firewall tag is #2: Paint Code #1 is Black.  #2 is Antoinette Blue, think a very dark Navy blue.

2) Not sure the type of paint.  I ordered it from Tower paint, which I imagine 80percent+ of the members use to restore their babys back to original color.  This is why I was so shocked it was wrong (and it was wrong twice, as I had to order a second batch and it arrived same color as the first).

3) "Chillistrated"?  Not sure if I am that, but I do like the way it sounds

[Porter]

Joe,

Ill give you my 2 cents once again here.

Trying to get a paint mixed for a very old GM lacquer color formula is like trying to find a politician that will defend our Mexican border, aint gonna happen.

They specialize in new car paint, maybe there is a formula but they dont have the lacquer or enamel paint base colors anymore.

You can browse through their master color paint chips, maybe have them shoot a spectrometer device thingy ? off a sample from the car or just have them generate a formula for the correct color with a little trial and error and then you will have a formula.

Never trust the paint shop with the formula color, have them mix a half pint and spray a test panel.

Even the new cars are a problem, they have "variants" from the factory, of course on a full repaint not a prob, all the same paint.

Always get extra for touch up and store that paint code # somewhere for future reference.

As far as I am concerned there is no paint code anymore for these old cars, you need a good paint jobber to work with and an original reference color from the car and generate your own paint code.

Porter

[Joe Bento #20081]

Thank Porter!

So with that in mind, and because I am too lazy and in a bit of a hurry (since I am in the process of reassembling the front end)...

Does anyone have a current, acceptable, formula for Antoinette Blue (circa 1940 Series 72) they would like to share.  If not, maybe a source for a shop that does?

Thanks!

[Lou CLC19028]

Here is a quart formula from BASF RM Diamont automotive finishes. This is a BC/CC finish. This formula is correct. This color is also formulated in other types of paint. I would need to know what kind of paint your painter is using to provide you with another formula from BASF(enamel,urethane,single stage).


GM   2  
   ANTOINETTE BLUE   WH252379   1940-1947   MB  
 
 
  UR50    UNIVERSAL  REDUCER---72.2----72.2  
  BC200   BLACK-----------------------476.0--548.2  
  BC470   VIOLET BLUE--------------116.6--664.8  
  BC190   WHITE-------------------------96.8--761.6  
  BC880   VIOLET------------------------31.7--793.3

Happy painting
Lou

[Joe Bento #20081]

Thanks for the formula Lou!

Seeing how as I am not familiar with paint myself, I was wondering if someone could clarify a couple of things for me:

1)What is a BC/CC finish?
2)What is the correct paint to use on the car (enamel, urathane, )?

I know zero about paint.

Anyone care to educate the paint challenged

Many thanks!

Joe

[Dave MacGregor #18998]

BC/CC Means "Base Coat/Clear Coat"

[Joe Bento #20081]

Thanks everyone!

What a great network!

Keep the info coming (please)!

Joe

[Rusty Shepherd CLC 6397]

Hey, Joe.  You had said you were frustrated, but chilled, so I was trying to come up with a word that encompassed both..
thus, chillistrated (I liked that one better than frustrilled).