Blue smoke from the exhaust of a '62...

[Porter]

What about Slick 50 and MMO - any good ?

Slick 50 (engine oil additives)
Slick 50 and other engine oil additives supposedly reduce engine wear and increase fuel efficiency.

You may have heard the commercial or seen the ad:

Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50 treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run with premium motor oil alone.

There are about 50 other products on the market which make similar claims, many of them being just duplicate products under different names from the same company. The price for a pint or quart of these engine oil additives runs from a few dollars to more than $20. Do these products do any good? Not much. Do they do any harm. Sometimes.

http://www.skepdic.com/slick50.html

Porter

[Ohio57-62Sedan]

Your not putting Crude oil in you car are you?? And one more thing or two... There is still plenty of oil in in the hills in NW PA... United refinery is still going strong today in Warren Pa . I have cousins and uncles that still work there..... The rest are all just a bunch of sellouts....  but hey some say Tomato some say Tomoto.. use what works for you... opinions are like ford mustangs and bellybuttons everyone has one... even me

[Ohio57-62Sedan]

What about Slick 50 and MMO - any good ?

Slick 50 (engine oil additives)
Slick 50 and other engine oil additives supposedly reduce engine wear and increase fuel efficiency.

You may have heard the commercial or seen the ad:

Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50 treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run with premium motor oil alone.

There are about 50 other products on the market which make similar claims, many of them being just duplicate products under different names from the same company. The price for a pint or quart of these engine oil additives runs from a few dollars to more than $20. Do these products do any good? Not much. Do they do any harm. Sometimes.

http://www.skepdic.com/slick50.html

Porter

Porter I do not beleave in the ol' mechanic in the bottle trick myself, but I'm sure someone here will swear to it... I had a guy put Five quarts of that motor honey crap in his car one time.... did not last too long.. but We got a motor rebuild out of the deal... we just threw his motor away and built a core we had sitting around... it was an HT4100 too.. I coulden't of been all of about 14 or so My dad and uncle let me rebuild it and gave the guy a five year 50,000 mile warranty to boot..never came back the young punk must know his stuff... Snikker...

[Porter]

Geez Ohio57-62Sedan dude,

I respect your decades of engine rebuilding and professional mechanical repair expertise, just trying to get to the bottom of these so called "snake oil additives".

Some people claim they use one qt. of ATF in their next oil change, what's up with that ?

I know this guy Stampie dumped ATF down the carb of his 70 472 while running to "decoke" the engine and fogged up the neighborhood pretty good, is that a good thing to do ? What do you think of this "Seafoam" product ? Seems like the new "SLick 50" to me.

Your buddy,

Poot Man 

[Ohio57-62Sedan]

Geez Ohio57-62Sedan dude,

I respect your decades of engine rebuilding and professional mechanical repair expertise, just trying to get to the bottom of these so called "snake oil additives".

Some people claim they use one qt. of ATF in their next oil change, what's up with that ?

I know this guy Stampie dumped ATF dwon the carb of his 70 472 while running to "decoke" the engine and fogged up the neighborhood pretty good, is that a good thing to do ? What do you think of this "Seafoam" product ? Seems like the new "SLick 50" to me.

Your buddy,
Poot Man 

I don't use any of it. I don't think it's a good thing to do either... and neither dose my uncle, dad and Granddad.... You want to run some carb cleaner through your carb nooo problem... Okay when I was 16 I filled up the washer bottle with ATF ran a hose to my quadrajunk... when someone got too close I'd give it a little squert...HAR....HAR...HAR....  I did it to the cop's a couple time's too... Go to jail do not collect 200 buck's do not pass go....
like I said some people will swear by it..... I'll stand over here and swear at it myself...

   Your buddy
The Automotive Guru.. 

[Porter]

He fogged up the neighborhood pretty bad, likely had no mosquitos in the yard for a few days though. Cheaper than that Deep Woods Off bug spray stuff.

Porter 

[Mike Josephic CLC #3877]

Misfit:

Thanks for your reply and your comments.  I've done my share of automotive
"wrench turning" in fact that's how I worked through college in the 60's, at a local
garage.

However, I never did a complete engine or transmission rebuild.  I don't have the
training to do that.  Anyone who does have those skills has my full respect.

BTW, we're almost "neighbors" if you travel in North West PA -- I live in Wexford just
off I-79, about 25 miles north of Pittsburgh.

If you're ever down this way give me a shout.  My phone number is in the Members
Directory.

Nice discussion,

Mike

[Mike Josephic CLC #3877]

Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50 treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run with premium motor oil alone.

The only thing "slick" about Slick-50 was the advertising.  I say "was" because they were
hit with a restraining order by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) for making bogus
claims about 6-7 years ago.  They toned down their advertising after that, however they
can still sell the product.

You cannot put "Teflon" in a bottle and pour it into the crankcase and expect it to do
anything usefull.  It just does not work.

Don't waste your money on this stuff.

I once did an article for the Self Starter on oil additives -- perhaps it's time to dust that one
off and revise it and reprint it.  That was about 8 years ago and alot has happened since.

Mike

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

The only "Fix-in-a-bottle" I ever use, and recommend is Bars Leak.

Bruce.

[Porter]

Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50 treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run with premium motor oil alone.

The only thing "slick" about Slick-50 was the advertising.  I say "was" because they were
hit with a restraining order by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) for making bogus
claims about 6-7 years ago.  They toned down their advertising after that, however they
can still sell the product.

You cannot put "Teflon" in a bottle and pour it into the crankcase and expect it to do
anything usefull.  It just does not work.

Don't waste your money on this stuff.

I once did an article for the Self Starter on oil additives -- perhaps it's time to dust that one
off and revise it and reprint it.  That was about 8 years ago and alot has happened since.

Mike

Mike,

Exactly what this thread and discussion is all about - burying the snake oil products.

MMO serves a purpose if used properly - so does ATF besides transmission fluid.

Old cars are long out of warranty, what you dump into your crankcase is your business now.

Granted engine oil has been reformulated numerous times in the past decades, always upgraded and backwards compatible for the most part, same with ATF.


Porter

[eldo59]

I've never heard of 40-70.

Here it is.I'm no expert when it comes to what oil to use.I just asked the guy at the auto store,"what oil should I use in an old late 50's cadillac".This is what he recommended.Like I said before, it seems to be OK.

[The Tassie Devil(le)]

Ah ha, a good Aussie Oil.

But, this is a first for me as well.    40-70 is too heavy for any conditions, apart for up in FNQ or Darwin in mid Summer.

Bruce.

[Misfit]

Mike, I am nowhere near you. I'm waaaay down in Fort Lauderdale. We met in Savannah briefly, while I was drooling on your '55. You had left the windows open and the rain was coming in through the overhead slab.

I opened the door to close the windows, just as you were coming out to do it too. Normally I would never open the door of anothers car, but to me this was an exception.

We conversed for a few minutes, but you had to get back in to your meeting.

Always good conversation when knowledge can be gained.

MisFit

[Guidematic]

I too have no use for any of these wonder products, so-called mechanic in a bottle. They are nothing less than advertising schemes to sell you a product that in the end won't work.

In my experience, the only additive that I have found to do any good is GM's EOS.

Also, I have been using HD 15W40 oil in all of my cars for getting on 30 years. I have never had any engine concerns with any of my cars. Never. In one case, an '86 Brougham I bought was using a litre of oil every week and a half. I put in Rotella T 15W 40 and the oil consumption all but stopped. I would add a container of EOS once per year. Just as I do with all of my cars.

I have no idea what is in MMO, we can't get it here in Ontario, but I'm sure it may have it's use. But for my money, I would certainly not use it.

However, I find the discussion on differant oil base and products interesting and informative. I'm not an oil engineer, or an expert in the oil industry, but I do hold my opinions and they are from my almost 30 years experience in the automotive repair trade.

Mike

[Ohio57-62Sedan]

Misfit:

Thanks for your reply and your comments.  I've done my share of automotive
"wrench turning" in fact that's how I worked through college in the 60's, at a local
garage.

However, I never did a complete engine or transmission rebuild.  I don't have the
training to do that.  Anyone who does have those skills has my full respect.

BTW, we're almost "neighbors" if you travel in North West PA -- I live in Wexford just
off I-79, about 25 miles north of Pittsburgh.

If you're ever down this way give me a shout.  My phone number is in the Members
Directory.

Nice discussion,

Mike

Mike you and I are neighbors I live 5 minutes or less from the state line... I 'm always loooking to learn something new myself.. I'm no expert here but I do come from a long line of automotive GUru's.. I built my first car with my uncle at age 6 and never looked back I knew this is what I wanted to do.. Do you come to Salem for the Steel Valley Nats??? or how about any car shows at Quaker Steak n' lube in Sharron?? I would love to sit down and BS with you sometime...

[bill henry]

Your not putting Crude oil in you car are you?? And one more thing or two... There is still plenty of oil in in the hills in NW PA... United refinery is still going strong today in Warren Pa . I have cousins and uncles that still work there..... The rest are all just a bunch of sellouts....  but hey some say Tomato some say Tomoto.. use what works for you... opinions are like ford mustangs and bellybuttons everyone has one... even me

I buy all my gas at Kwik Fill (United Refining)

[Mike Josephic CLC #3877]

Mike you and I are neighbors I live 5 minutes or less from the state line... I 'm always loooking to learn something new myself.. I'm no expert here but I do come from a long line of automotive GUru's.. I built my first car with my uncle at age 6 and never looked back I knew this is what I wanted to do.. Do you come to Salem for the Steel Valley Nats??? or how about any car shows at Quaker Steak n' lube in Sharron?? I would love to sit down and BS with you sometime...

Thanks -- I would love a good BS session with you as well.  I don't get to Sharon much, next time I do I'll
let you know  However, perhaps you might think about our local Club's car show (Pittsburgh Region) that's held every year here at Rohrich Cadillac.  We have club members from your area, some in Erie, PA and throughout the Western PA area.

Our local Club website is: http://www.clcpgh.org/

Best,

Mike

[Porter]

Mike,

Been a great discussion here, I think we all learned a few things, waiting for Edward to weigh in and hopefully we have helped him, take this diagnosis further.

BTW my lifelong friend Dr. CT Cargill O.D. has a practice in Wexford, Pa. , perhaps you know of him.

Fine country out there and have been out to visit a few times.

Regards,

Porter Littlefield from Denmark, Maine

[bill henry]

Thanks -- I would love a good BS session with you as well.  I don't get to Sharon much, next time I do I'll
let you know  However, perhaps you might think about our local Club's car show (Pittsburgh Region) that's held every year here at Rohrich Cadillac.  We have club members from your area, some in Erie, PA and throughout the Western PA area.

Our local Club website is: http://www.clcpgh.org/

Best,

Mike

i go to the wexford starlight cruise every now and then

[Ohio57-62Sedan]

I buy all my gas at Kwik Fill (United Refining)

Good Gas.. Let's keep the local people working Refining good products...

Thanks -- I would love a good BS session with you as well.  I don't get to Sharon much, next time I do I'll
let you know  However, perhaps you might think about our local Club's car show (Pittsburgh Region) that's held every year here at Rohrich Cadillac.  We have club members from your area, some in Erie, PA and throughout the Western PA area.

Our local Club website is: http://www.clcpgh.org/

Best,

Mike

I think this is a good area for crusing... I'll check you guy's out sometime.. I'm always looking for something different to do... I have  to cheet these days take the old way in past the airport.. the PA pike charges five or six' bucks one way and it's only three exit's to pitts.. used to be 1.50 when I was 16..